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Originally Posted by jonbxx
Sorry, just catching up here. If you go WTO, it's not just the costs of the tariffs which will be borne by the customer, it's the non-tariff barriers to trade we really need to look out for.
Here's an article for example on the concerns for Dover - https://www.ft.com/content/f308e8bc-...c-9588e51488a0
The HMRC does not think it will be ready for the sheer volume of customs checks needed for cross channel trade. On top of this is the potential divergence of standards between the EU and UK. If we start to separate ourselves from EU standards, then the EU will require inspections to ensure conformity to their standards to make sure we don't sneak a bendy banana or 2kW vacuum cleaner over the water.
This will suddenly affect 44% of our exports and 53% of our imports where before, it was frictionless.
Of course, we do this for the current 56% and 47% but this is an effective doubling of the load on customs and regulatory agencies. |
Thanks.
Think I made the point earlier that it's very confusing that on one hand HMG are claiming to be ready for any result while on the other they are making no substantial preparations. When talking about doubling load you have to also remember that the load is unevenly spread - ports like Dover where the vast majority, 80-90%+, of imports are from within the customs union need quadrupling of customs capacity and so far nothing has been done.
In other news a little reminder that, for all the rhetoric, neither Juncker or the Commission get to decide what happens within the EU, the member states via their MEPs and heads of government do - paywalled:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...ears-3v6v3vnqf
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France and Germany are demanding the right to suspend the European Union’s passport-free travel zone for up to four years at times of crisis amid fears over terrorism and migration.
A confidential diplomatic paper seen by The Times reveals that the EU’s two biggest countries are pushing for the Schengen zone to be suspended in “exceptional circumstances”, making all travellers subject to border checks as they enter a country.
The European Commission is pushing for an end, within weeks, to emergency frontier controls introduced after terrorist attacks and during the EU’s migration crisis.
The demand will be a blow to Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the commission, who said on Wednesday that the passport-free travel zone, alongside the euro, was a foundation for a future federal Europe. He was accused of drawing up a blueprint for a “United States of Europe” with more centralised powers, as he called for Bulgaria and Romania to join Schengen.
Under the border-check proposals, which are also supported by the Schengen members Austria, Denmark and Norway, governments would be allowed to introduce frontier controls for years rather than months and to keep their reasons for the checks secret.
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Originally Posted by Mick
I see where it is going. Hardline remainers just cannot get behind brexit if they died trying. So they then attempt to mock Dyson products to some how discredit his view on Brexit. Not going to work with me. Dyson is an intelligent guy. A successful entrepreneur.
Bottom line is. We will be better out.
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On the flip side of that, however, are hardline leavers who won't consider the possibility that we may be worse out. It's impossible to say unequivocally that the UK would benefit either way, however the weight of forecasts from those who should, in theory, be unbiased leans heavily towards the UK being economically worse off until at least 2030.
As I've said a couple of times it's noteworthy that neither of the two major leave campaigns attempted to campaign on economic grounds.
Whether the benefits of leaving the EU will balance this is probably subjective.
Extreme opinions from people willing to completely disregard any evidence that doesn't agree with their point of view abound on both sides of the argument with zero possibility of being dissuaded so it's a busted flush as far as discussion goes.
I'm not going to disagree with Dyson. He is not an unbiased observer in this - his issues with EU regulations governing his products are well known - but he is putting his money where his mouth is which should be respected.