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Originally Posted by Damien
The problem is that Labour is the alternative to the Tories in our system. It may be unimaginable that he wins but the last year as seen many things we assumed were not possible happen.
The people behind the hard left aren't completely stupid. They know what they're doing. They know Corbyn will probably lose the election but they aren't thinking of 2020 but 2025 or 2030. The idea is to take over the Labour party until it's institutions, rules and membership until they've got a hold on it for good then they just have to wait for government. This was the strategy of the old communists towards the party, to support Labour as a noose supports a hanged man, and it's their strategy now too.
It might not work but that is their idea.
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Yes, that be what they think but if it is it just goes to show how deluded they are. The more they insist on propping up an ineffectual Corbyn, the more the ordinary people Labour's supposed to be representing in the meantime will be able to see what they're really about and feel utterly neglected by the party.
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Originally Posted by Chris
There are definitely some credible alternatives to Corbyn, the problem is all of them know damn well how another leadership election would go down and none of them want a failed leadership challenge on their CV.
Current party rules put the power squarely in the hands of a very broad membership base that has been infiltrated with a large number of people who see Labour as a handy vehicle for pushing the ideas of the hard left. There aren't enough of them to keep Corbyn in power forever, but there are enough of them to keep him in power until almost everyone else in the party unites behind an alternative. Until that day comes, none of Labour's "big hitters" are going to make a move.
That day, I'd say, will come either in early 2019 or late in 2020. I don't believe there is anything Corbyn can do to endear himself to the British electorate and the 2020 election is the Tories to lose as things stand. If they make a complete disaster of Brexit (by which I mean, a genuine, actual disaster, not merely a continuing stream of BBC/Guardian opinion pieces predicting disaster is just around the corner), then Corbyn could do reasonably well in the polls going into the election, and avoid the alternative, which is that in early 2019 his party finally reads the writing on the wall and removes him in an attempt to avoid a wipeout.
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Interesting.
They've already had one wipeout in Scotland and the legacy of that is going to reduce the probabilty of a Labour majority hugely I'd have thought regardless of who's running the show at the time.