Most people do not believe the Tories are on their side. My party has to change -
Phillip Lee MP (Conservative)
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The Conservatives have a trust problem. New polling shows that the Tory party is a huge turn-off for most people under 44. Around 75% of them said they would not consider voting for us. More and more people see us as the party of the rich. And most people do not believe that Conservatives are “on their side”. This is a wake-up call.
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I have never voted Conservative. I have voted mostly for the yellow team and once for the red team, 2015, voting for a local MP who had been enormously helpful to me. I most certainly wouldn't vote for them as things stand. Were they to get back to how they are supposed to be this would be subject to change.
Wow; a Tory who seems to be interested in the electorate as a whole and has realised that relying on the votes of the older generations isn't a good idea long-term. Perhaps if more of them were more preoccupied with that than winning control of the Conservative Party and/or engaging in demagoguery over the European Union and their interpretation of the referendum result they would have been able to win a majority over the most left-wing, polarising Labour Party in decades.
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Yawn, yet again. Do you ever get 'déjà vu' ? I experience it regularly on here.
Still waiting btw.....
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It's likely anyone who disagrees is on ignore. Echo chambers are the in thing at the moment, sadly. Either way no point in engaging, just a waste of time for all involved unless to debunk opinion with facts for the benefit of the wider audience.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
That's probably all large parties then except the Liberal Democrats who aren't exactly overflowing in popularity.
Boris seems to be choosing his moments to wind May up. On the eve of the conference at which May wants to discuss policy initiatives apart from Brexit, Boris is firmly stirring things up with a Sun interview emphasising his divergence from the agreed line on key aspects of leaving the EU.
1. Length of transition
TM "About two years"
BJ "Do I want the delay to go on longer than two years? Not a second more."
2. Adopting European Court rulings during transition period
TM concedes this may be inevitable
BJ Should not accept them
3. Single market access post EU
TM Open mind
BJ Britain should not pay for access to the single market after the transition period ends and that the UK should not shadow European rules to maintain access to the single market.
https://www.ft.com/content/cb12eb60-...c98a2?mhq5j=e5
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7975066.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/458033...xit-red-lines/ |
So demagogue #1 is in a little trouble there.
On 3: to access the SM and, indeed, in any trading arrangement, adherence to the rules of the market are required. No need to 'shadow' them all but you aren't going to be selling non-compliant goods and services that don't meet the standards so there is definitely going to have to be some element of 'shadowing'.
On 2: that isn't on offer. Any transition period mentioned so far is subject to union acquis. That means the four freedoms and the jurisdiction of the ECJ. There is no offer that involves the UK picking and choosing, there is no a la carte menu, only the set courses.
On 1: as mentioned previously this is the same guy who, last year, said the full Article 50 period wouldn't be necessary because they need us more than we need them. He will tell people whatever he thinks they want to hear, and pursue what is best for Boris. This is abundantly clear, and he ensures he reminds us whenever he opens his mouth.
He is, simply, stirring the excrement pot. He is doing everything he can to get fired it seems, so that he can be the Brexit martyr. What he's doing may play well with some of the Conservative Party, it neither plays well with the country as a whole or the European Union. For many it might well be a case of fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...
EDIT: The worst part about it all is that for all that he's doing the PM is too weak to be able to fire him. He can directly challenge her on Brexit twice in a fortnight, in between reciting an incredibly inappropriate poem in a sacred Buddhist site in Myanmar and having to be reprimanded by the Ambassador.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLIm0HOvuQ