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Old 29-09-2016, 09:53   #691
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

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Originally Posted by rhyds View Post
Its pretty obvious he's still thinking in 1980s terms, especially in education.

He promised an "arts pupil premium for every child in England and Wales".

Problem is, education in Wales is the responsibility of the Welsh Government, not the Westminster one, and I'd imagine Welsh Labour have other stuff to spend the money on...
He's locked in the past, like so many others of his ilk.

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Originally Posted by Damien View Post
I think some of that speech will resonate with people though. The idea that we should actually be taking advantage of low borrowing rates to invest in the country isn't a new idea or an especially left-wing idea, it's what America did in the aftermath of 2008, and hopefully the Government is now planning to move away from the strict austerity program.

Home building too is badly needed, I don't understand why successive governments have failed on this. Just let councils pay for it and contract out the work to current developers. It's hardly a risky investment is it? You'll make a profit on selling them or they can use them as social housing rather than paying landlords via housing benefit.

Hopefully May steals some of these 'ideas'.

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We should be very cautious. Our electoral system means that he is the most likely Prime Minister if the Tories don't win the next election, he is the defacto alternative choice. It's very unlikely of course, especially when the Tories hit him with all his foreign policy views which will scare most voters, but then so was Trump getting anywhere near the White House and now that's quite possible.

All it takes is people being even more anti-establishment, maybe a recession, and people may suddenly look to Corbyn. One thing he has going for him is people don't think of him as a member of the political elite as it where. People won't like his pro-Russian, anti-Western, foreign policy but Trump is rather pro-Russian and anti-Western and that hasn't harmed him. Trump has made gaffs, seems incompetent and again he is doing fine.

A sudden change and Corbyn as PM might be very real.
We've been here before electorally and no matter how tough times are, nothing that Labour can say or do will, IMHO, sufficiently inspire the masses to vote for Corbyn. As leader of the second biggest party in parliament of course he's the next most likely non-Conservative PM but the Tories would have to become a complete joke in order for Labour (under Corbyn) to be elected. The Tories have been less than popular since 2010 and times have been very tough but people still chose them ahead of Labour under Brown or Miliband and that was with an electoral situation structurally more favourable to Labour. Corbyn's just told everyone how relaxed he is about migration numbers and that isn't going to help his cause no matter what else he does.

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