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**Hugh** · 29-10-2023, 20:28

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's missing from John's thinking is any parallel with WW2 and the fight against the Nazis.

Britain had to fight Germany in its self defence. Innocent people died on both sides, but that kind of war brings that kind of consequence.

It's no different with Israel vs Hamas. The Germans voted for Hitler in 1933 and there was never another vote. Palestinians in Gaza voted for Hamas in 2005 (or thereabouts) and there was never another vote.

Germany was bombed to bits; and there was no outcry in Britain. War is as much war now as then. Same in Ukraine, which is trying to defend itself.

Bleating about the civilian casualties in Gaza suggests a bias towards the the Gazans, whose plight is entirely down to the actions of Hamas.

Virtue signalling for a ceasefire is pointless; Israel has to defend itself and they will decide whether or not a ceasefire is to happen.

And remember, 100,00 Gaza sympathisers took to the streets, many of them calling for the obliteration of Israel and the Jews. Hitler tried that and many civilian casualties later, he was defeated.

Actually, it’s not…

The adverse treatment of civilians in WW2 led to a new (the fourth) Geneva Convention, specifically to provide for the protection of civilians in wartime.

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Articles were also put in place to protect wounded, sick and pregnant civilians as well as mothers and children. It also stated civilians may not be collectively deported or made to work on behalf of an occupying force without pay. All civilians should receive adequate medical care and be allowed to go about their daily lives as much as possible.

… In 1977, Protocols I and II were added to the Conventions of 1949. Protocol I increased protections for civilians, military workers and journalists during international armed conflicts. It also banned the use of “weapons that cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering,” or cause “widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment.”

According to the Red Cross, Protocol II was established because most victims of armed conflicts since the 1949 Convention were victims of vicious civil wars. The Protocol stated all people not taking up arms be treated humanely and there should never be an order by anyone in command for “no survivors.”