[Sephiroth]

What's missing from John's thinking is any parallel with WW2 and the fight against the Nazis.

Britain had to fight Germany in its self defence. Innocent people died on both sides, but that kind of war brings that kind of consequence.

It's no different with Israel vs Hamas. The Germans voted for Hitler in 1933 and there was never another vote. Palestinians in Gaza voted for Hamas in 2005 (or thereabouts) and there was never another vote.

Germany was bombed to bits; and there was no outcry in Britain. War is as much war now as then. Same in Ukraine, which is trying to defend itself.

Bleating about the civilian casualties in Gaza suggests a bias towards the the Gazans, whose plight is entirely down to the actions of Hamas.

Virtue signalling for a ceasefire is pointless; Israel has to defend itself and they will decide whether or not a ceasefire is to happen.

And remember, 100,00 Gaza sympathisers took to the streets, many of them calling for the obliteration of Israel and the Jews. Hitler tried that and many civilian casualties later, he was defeated.