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Old 20-09-2017, 15:47   #130
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Re: Brexit discussion

Curious Johnson mentioned any numbers to be honest.



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... and with regard to Boris's supposedly heinous crime according to Sir Jeremy Heywood:

https://order-order.com/2017/09/20/n...boris-blunder/
It was David Norgrove who took Johnson to task. He does not have statutory powers to comment on what the opposition say and do, his job is to regulate the government. Source: a barrister who doesn't appear to have an axe to grind.





Official statistics.

Regardless of whether you buy the OBR's forecasts or not, and given they are the Government's official figures Johnson should, the use of the gross figure whether referring to new spending or to 'taking back control' is a misuse of statistics. The Treasury never lose control of the abatement.

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It is this likelihood, made more likely by the current bungling of the Article 50 process, that will, I feel, lead to a very bizarre electoral landscape in a couple of years time.

The Leavers that were promised a rosy EU-free future may well turn to Labour if they see their Brexit "ruined" by the Tories. Yes, they will be attempts to blame "Traitors", "Remoaners", etc. but most will see through this. Brexit could directly lead to a Corbyn government .. slightly ironic, right?

The Leave promise was put to the electorate with no planning, no time and no skill. So the chances of it playing out as hoped look smaller as the days go by. If time, skill and planning was put into Brexit before the vote, the outcome could and would have been very different.
Dominic Cummings is scathing of the manner in which the Conservatives have implemented Brexit so far.

He is right, too. They could scarcely have handled it much worse if they tried.

My biggest fear in all this was that they would make a total mess of it. Not against it in principle, though I would far, far prefer we'd rejoin EFTA, but they are incompetently bumbling through for the international audience while spending their time on demagoguery at home.

We should bin Article 50 right now, and set about leaving the EU via a mutual treaty. No time limit pressures, plenty of time to properly and soberly analyse our options, and to put the systems in place to ensure that we can smoothly transition and in turn prosper on exit day.
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