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Originally Posted by Bircho
Ok. So this Treaty of Lisbon. Just remind me what powers they grabbed from us (or do you mean that things now went to the European Parliament which were voted on by democratically elected European MPs instead of being decided on by 27 people round a table).
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If you read my post you'll see I specifically stated the powers weren't grabbed they were effectively ceded to Europe by PM's of various governments and Blair promised a referendum on the subject which he then reneged on, thereby preventing the electorate from have their say at the time.
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Of course certain of our own governments have effectively ceded powers to the EU in the past. Whilst those powers can't be said to have been 'grabbed' by anyone, they're no longer within parliament's sole control, the effect on the UK's sovereignty is exactly the same and that is what led to the referendum result. We were asked whether we wanted to stay or leave the EU and gave our answer. Blair signed the Treaty of Rome having promised that there'd be a referendum on it but reneged on that promise. So no the EU didn't grab those powers from the UK, they were effectively donated by a PM whose love of the EU is very well known and who is still today trying to undermine the referendum result. Yet another politician who only respects democracy when it yields the required outcome. Quelle surprise.
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