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RichardCoulter 09-11-2017 15:45

VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
According to a VM technical guy, VM are to replace their copper wires and provide their phone service over VOIP.

Is VOIP as reliable and clear sounding as the current system?

Also, as they all come down the same wire, how will this benefit VM? Is it that they will be able to create more capacity by scrapping the bit that carries telephoney (which can't be utilised that much these days) and use the bit used for broadband instead?

---------- Post added at 14:45 ---------- Previous post was at 14:10 ----------

I posted this in mobile in error, so have asked admin to move it to landline telephones :)

Hugh 09-11-2017 16:13

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
Moved

Paul M 09-11-2017 19:49

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35924069)
According to a VM technical guy, VM are to replace their copper wires and provide their phone service over VOIP.

Replace them with what ?

The two are not really connected, you can do VOIP down copper wires, as part of an ADSL internet connection.

vm_tech 09-11-2017 22:22

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
I imagine there are a few of us staff on here who know varying levels of information regarding this. As nothing has been publically announced I would imagine you won't get much information from people in the know at this stage.

Onramp 09-11-2017 23:32

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
I'm guessing they're not going to go to the effort of stripping the small side off all of the siamese cables on the plant...

... so they could use that copper to implement a G.Fast overlay - and then bond it at the CPE with the DOCSIS connection...

(I know this won't happen by the way, I would just find it entertaining for some sad reason).


Actually, one reason they wouldn't do this is to maintain the same product set in FTTP (no siamese cable) and FTTC areas.

RichardCoulter 10-11-2017 14:05

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vm_tech (Post 35924181)
I imagine there are a few of us staff on here who know varying levels of information regarding this. As nothing has been publically announced I would imagine you won't get much information from people in the know at this stage.

There was a report earlier this year that said that VOIP would only apply to FTTP installations, but yesterday's information seemed to suggest that this would be for everybody :shrug:

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...broadband.html

weesteev 10-11-2017 16:47

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
VOIP or Digital Voice (DV) as it is referred to in the industry, is coming to the whole VM network as a long term strategy to upgrade the phone platform form the legacy POTS service currently used. DV will be offered primarily in new build areas, project lightning expansion and areas of capacity issues where network upgrades aren't possible, it will then slowly roll out across the country as the only main phone line option. Realistically it will replace the POTS service in the long term as there are lots of benefits to the service over copper (space, power, maintenance, quality). The bit rate of the voice calls are wider than then current service so theoretically call quality will be better.

DV is already live on the network in a lot of places including Carlisle where the network build has been going on for some time.

HTH

Brunel 07-12-2017 12:40

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
Due to be connected, hopefully before the present year end.

Have been unofficially informed by VM tech. that tel. service will not be installed, due to the phasing out of present POTS system.

No timescale before VOIP system will be activated.

Pierre 07-12-2017 14:13

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
I don't think it's any great secret that VM is removing it's twisted pair copper network and introducing VOIP over it's HFC network.

It will free up duct capacity, it will free up massive amounts of space at it's head ends when they remove the old System X voice switches. It will reduce power costs.

wont be long before 21CV is rolled out.

Brunel 07-12-2017 14:56

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
I would prefer to keep my present tel. No. but not with present supplier.

Is there anywhere I could transfer No. to on a temp basis until VM VOIP is enabled.

Matthew 07-12-2017 23:10

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
You can transfer your number to services such as Vonage.

I haven't had a POTS line for a number of years been using VOIP for a while, got an 03 number so no sales calls or anything as its a brand new number. Even rings me on the mobile if I am not at home. The only downside to some VOIP services is if the power is down you have nothing, I know BT were rolling out voice via Fibre but a battery backup was provided so that the landline could still be used.

Makes sense to move away from copper, reduce maintenance costs on kit that probably has little use these days in places.

Brunel 08-12-2017 00:23

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
Thanks, I have been looking at a few of the present VOIP providers.

https://www.yay.com/

RichardCoulter 09-12-2017 14:59

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
At least under the present system, if power and/or the internet goes down (been happening a lot here) you still have a landline, so let's hope that VM also provide a battery for backup.

Not as much of a problem now that most have a mobile.

Horizon 14-12-2017 01:32

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
...yes, times have moved on.

This has been a long time coming, we've talked about VOIP on here starting at least several years ago.

As my area was cabled up in 1991 and so the all the copper/coax wires are rapidly approaching being 30 years old now, I wonder if VM will bite the bullet and upgrade existing areas to FTTP too. Or, are they still going down the DOCSIS 3.1 route?

Or, perhaps they just blast all the stuff out of the street lamps instead??

vm_tech 14-12-2017 09:28

Re: VOIP to replace VM copper wires.
 
The HFC networks will be staying....


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