Traffic Management Trial in Preston and Selly Oak
 

found this tonight

We use traffic management on our cable network to ensure the vast majority of our customers receive the high quality of service they expect. As part of the speed doubling programme, you'll enjoy faster speeds alongside increased peak time allowances enabling you to get even more out of your services. With significant additional investment being put into our network, we will be trialling a variety of different approaches to traffic management over the coming months to make the system more intelligent and flexible. To that end, we've started a STM trial in Preston and Selly Oak (Birmingham) this week that will last for the next 2 weeks.

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http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...k/td-p/1091963

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I expected the STM to change with the new speeds, but would like to know what the limits are but I got to wait till July for my upgrade so they should have decided by then what limits they will STM people.

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tbh, I would expect them to be proportional with the current tiers and one thing I would be looking at is does usage increase with speed. I can't be arsed to look up the current limits so as an example:

If a user is on 10mbit with an stm of 1.5gb and downloads 2gb on average per day. When he gets doubled the stm will be 3gb and assume 4gb per day.

I think it is fair atm to double the stm limits but i would love to know who usage patternc change. I can honestly say I dont download any more now on 100mbit than I did on 50mbit but some people will be stuck on the lower tiers due to financial constraints and if a family with teenagers know their speed is being increased I can see them taking advantage of it.

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the STM limits will probably change differently as the latest rumour I heard was that protocol management was going out the window and they were bringing in STM for all packages

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P2P and Newsgroups management isn't going

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oh.... it was ignition who said it and said about "traffic management v2"

I thought there were new ofcom rules about traffic management and that was why they had to change it?

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long term it will be going but I was thinking of what they were going to do in the short term. I was expecting stm to be introduced to 100mbit if they are banging everyone on 50mbit up as well but I hope it is generous. 30gb is nothing these days but it is less than 1 hour of downloading so I would expect that to be a limit if they were going to introduce one.

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they havent banned protocol management they just said it needs to be moderate only.

personally I hope what ignition said is true and VM adopt comcast style management, but I suspect VM have abandoned the idea and plan to just increase STM limits.

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I don't think VM should put limits on anything, traffic management should just be utilisation based imo, therfore if your on a low utilised part of the network then you should never see STM apart from newsgroups and P2P restrictions of course.

I think it's a positive step that VM are maybe taking quality seriously for once, so good on them if that's the case.

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Considering anyone with an ounce of knowledge knows how to circumnavigate it there does not seem a point in it continuing

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But not everyone has an ounce of knowledge.

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I think most people have enough knowledge, even torrent programs have options specifically labeled to evade shaping.

The future is something that isnt protocol sensitive. Protocol management is flawed.

Of course I agree with comments that ideally there should be no management, but VM are not in the business of selling limited use connections for higher prices, so there will always be some form of management at least for the forseeable future.

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The Allot kit isn't getting reconfigured with subscriber awareness based around IPDR records along with CMTS polling to allow it to manage based on individual subscriber usage and port load?

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is or isn't???????

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*sarcasm* hint hint

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AHHHHHHH!

i get it.....:dunce:

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I would say most of the people who leave torrents hammering away constantly don't know how to circumvent it or even know its there.

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So if its changing from UNLIMITED to limited with personal alowance, does that give you grounds to cancel?:confused: Infinity is calling!!!;)

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There's no way in hell that i am paying over £42 just for a 100mb internet connection, that is only useable when they want me to use it!!!!!!

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Come April it won't cost that

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:LOL: keep avoiding the question Ben

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Unfortunately for me and doubtless others that's only most and not all. Fortunately for me Infinity came early to an exchange next door to mine and Openreach have already installed the extra Infinity cabinet that I'll be on as soon as I can.

If VM don't want to haemorrhage customers as a result of their selling 100Mbps unlimited on infrastructure that can't deliver it they'll either need to put in some pretty substantial upgrade work or curtail the torrent freaks. Naturally doing that will cost them business too... It's all a problem entirely of their own making.

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I can't see VM bringing in usage caps, plus once BT becomes more widespread with there fiber optic they will suffer the same issues as VM, BT infinity is only small a the moment and BT have a massive network, but they will soon become overloaded.

But back on the subject does anyone know of the limits they are trailing?

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you do understand that BT dont use docsis so as such dont have the same bottleneck issue?

whilst BT may well get congested it wont be in the same way that VM does.

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Indeed. Capacity to/from the cab may as well be uncontended. Even if you do have contention issues on the BT Wholesale network, you still have the choice of LLU providers who run their own backhauls, the likes of Sky, O2, and TalkTalk, etc.

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with regards to Infinity, I think it was qas who pointed out the other day (too tired to go and look back) that the worst it can possible get is a 5:1 contention ratio, and that just sounds like flipping heaven compared to VM. I am all for competition and fair trading and all that stuff but if BT keep on going like they are atm I pray that everyone dumps whatever isp they are on atm and switched to Infinity. I am always preaching about brand quality and customer loyalty and at the moment Infinity is a fantastic network with great potential at a great price.

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That was just the upstream, though those numbers were an understimate. Each cab gets multiple dedicated gigabit links to the headend (not just one), with BT putting in more as needed to maintain a (almost) guaranteed minimum speed of 30mbps per 80mb customer. The worst-case scenario on the downstream would be a fully-loaded 128-line cab with every user on 80mb and 2Gbps of backhaul, still only 5:1 contention on the downstream and 1.25:1 on the upstream, assuming they don't light up the extra fibre as promised.

But that's just cab to exchange - what happens at the exchange and how contended the BT Wholesale pipe is is up to the ISP. Contention issues on BT usually happen at the exchange and Wholesale pipes - those are limited by how much an ISP wants to pay for how much capacity. ADSL lines are 100% uncontended from exchange to user, yet there are plenty of congestion issues on BT ADSL

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if you want to avoid congestion at the exchange, avoid talktalk as the ISP ;)