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Taf 11-01-2017 19:30

UK piracy crackdown
 
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UK ISPs are to start sending "educational letters" to customers identified as downloading copyright material without paying for it.

It is part of the UK government's attempt to crack down on piracy.

BT, Virgin Media, TalkTalk and Sky have agreed to send the missives, which will be emailed rather than posted.
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Get it Right monitors peer to peer networks for illegal downloads.

But many newer forms of consuming content free, such as streaming and cyber-lockers, are not included.

Neither is Kodi and other set-top box software that allows users to stream pirated movies, sport and TV programmes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38583357

Mr K 11-01-2017 19:41

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So:-
Dear Captain Pugwash,
Don't be naughty downloading stuff. However we aren't going to do anything as we like your money too much.and we realise it's the main reason punters want stupidly large download speeds.
Kind regards
Virgin Media
PS. You can ignore this if you want, nudge, nudge, wink, wink ;)

heero_yuy 11-01-2017 20:05

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So they have to identify potentially encrypted P2P packets that may or may not contain copyrighted information, determine source and destination and then link that information to a particular e-mail address. The task is Herculean. Rest your sphincters my fellow privateers.:angel:

Gavin78 11-01-2017 21:53

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Kodi users just carry on as normal anyway

Pierre 11-01-2017 23:06

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Hope they catch that black beard fella.

pip08456 12-01-2017 00:35

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v0id 12-01-2017 15:03

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Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35880185)
Kodi users just carry on as normal anyway


Kodi users will likely be the main ones getting these letters, since they're easier to identify

adzii_nufc 12-01-2017 15:44

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Originally Posted by v0id (Post 35880310)
Kodi users will likely be the main ones getting these letters, since they're easier to identify

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But many newer forms of consuming content free, such as streaming and cyber-lockers, are not included.

Neither is Kodi and other set-top box software that allows users to stream pirated movies, sport and TV programmes.
Or Directly:
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The letters will not tackle the use of software add-ons for Kodi that allow pirated content to be watched

Taf 12-01-2017 16:37

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I know someone who uses Kodi to download content, not just watch it. I suspect that will likely to flag an email from his (not VM) ISP?

heero_yuy 12-01-2017 16:44

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I would have thought any kind of linear download \ stream from a single known IP source is likely to ring alarm bells.

adzii_nufc 12-01-2017 16:53

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I would have thought any kind of linear download \ stream from a single known IP source is likely to ring alarm bells.
Probably can but this isn't about what they can and can't detect here, it's about which ones they're trying to enforce and it basically just looks like a re-affirmed stance on the blocking of specific P2P sites that they were ordered to block. Until Kodi and such others come into play they have absolutely no reason to bother with streaming.

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I know someone who uses Kodi to download content, not just watch it. I suspect that will likely to flag an email from his (not VM) ISP?
Downloading would, they'll likely have trigger sites and as suggested above, matching against a known source. Kodi in that instance would be no different from a torrent client.

pip08456 12-01-2017 17:14

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35880327)
Downloading would, they'll likely have trigger sites and as suggested above, matching against a known source. Kodi in that instance would be no different from a torrent client.

Sorry but it wouldn't. Downloading via Kodi would not be seen as any different to streaming.

heero_yuy 12-01-2017 18:50

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35880327)
Probably can but this isn't about what they can and can't detect here, it's about which ones they're trying to enforce and it basically just looks like a re-affirmed stance on the blocking of specific P2P sites that they were ordered to block. Until Kodi and such others come into play they have absolutely no reason to bother with streaming.

Well they've singularly failed to block the common torrent sites. I can get to the popular ones in seconds. Don't even need a VPN to do it. There are thousands of proxies out there. ;)

Only thing they've succeeded in killing is torcache but there's substitutes.

pip08456 12-01-2017 18:58

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35880349)
Well they've singularly failed to block the common torrent sites. I can get to the popular ones in seconds. Don't even need a VPN to do it. There are thousands of proxies out there. ;)

Only thing they've succeeded in killing is torcache but there's substitutes.

Had the judge at the original hearing to block certain torrent sites had any clue about the internet then blocking would never have been passed.

I blame the ISP's for that, they were trying to defend a neutrality position instead of laying the difficutlties and realities out.

The more it's attempted to be enforced the more ways around it will surface.

adzii_nufc 12-01-2017 19:12

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35880331)
Sorry but it wouldn't. Downloading via Kodi would not be seen as any different to streaming.

Except for different circumstances. Downloading/Streaming with public tracker add-ons like TPB is no different from performing the same task with a dedicated torrent client. I did say known sites and trigger sources but neglected to mention what I actually meant, I should've said downloading could in these circumstances rather than answer like that. Whether they can see the client used and want to enforce upon it is beyond me. I've just took their decision as they can't be arsed with single server streaming and downloading and that the usual P2P downloads from usual sources would be targeted on whatever client they're on.

Others are just downloading or streaming on a single server basis - The vast majority of Kodi add-ons of course

So to straighten it out. The usual single server streaming and downloading add-ons are fine. Using public tracker torrent add-ons could be flagged if you assume they'll manage them the same way they would with any torrent client.


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