Security guard, 20, is arrested after Asda shoplifter he tackled was killed
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/283499...-manslaughter/
This sort of stuff leave a sour taste in my mouth. Whether Police, member of the public or Security staff. This security guard chases a Thief/ Shoplifter, they fall over and the bottles that the thief has nicked smash and he ends up dying. The security guard is then nicked on suspicion of Manslaughter. Sad its sad story, but the guard was doing his job. And now he could end up in prison because of shoplifter. The law is an ass. |
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If I were you Arthur I'd wait until further details emerge before jumping to conclusions.
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The word "tackle" is used several times in the article, once within inverted commas.
Do did he "tackle" as in "deal with", or "tackle" in the rugby sense? |
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http://www.inbrief.co.uk/employees/b...ecurity-guard/ So whilst he has no more powers he does in fact have some Overzealousness on the part of security guard? Possibly Deserving of a manslaughter charge? I'd have to say no on the basis that if the shoplifter hadn't shoplifted then of course this situation wouldn't have occurred Reminds me of the police not chasing stolen mopeds/motorbikes due to the theives not wearing crash helmets. |
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Well from this quote it does indeed sound like the guard tackled him to the ground.
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Would the police not have possibly done the same/similar? Miscreant makes off not stopping so gets tackled down and concealed item causes miscreant harm. If miscreant had tripped and fallen causing harm because we was being chased?
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Reminds me of an incident when I worked at Cheshire Oaks outlet. The guards chased a shoplifter one day and he ran across the motorway M53 which runs at the rear. The guy was knocked over but he survived. After that incident the guards were told that if shoplifters were heading towards the motorway, then they were not to give chase. The shoplifters soon got wind of that policy and they all went that way.
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A world of confusion and grey areas. No one can really make a judgement then to be fair because it's impossible to predict where this will go.
Inexperienced of course. The maximum experience he could have is 2 years. I often speak with an Aegis trainer and we both share the same conclusion though but it's still not the right answer. It's a factor though. It's whether it was absolutely necessary to take him to the ground. Bare in mind both Aegis and the SIA themselves deem grounding someone as dangerous and an absolute last resort that shouldn't be carried out without the relevant training. That's not the law though, the law is about proving that any force used was justifiable. If he holds the DS Licence he'd have taken part in mandatory Physical Intervention training. If its a standard SG Licence then he's had no in house training. So basically the SIA themselves will go against him. There's going to be so many factors in this for what's an accident. Doesn't work that way in a court though. Simply don't know how this will go. I know which way it should go, we all do. Similar story to the above. When I had my first role as an SD or theft prevention, we had a policy of never chasing thieves. Merely tag them with spray, radio the council CCTV lads and the police would take care of it. Quite a few years ago for me though. Doors and Close protection work is an entirely different field though. |
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Again though, I can't even come to any conclusion from this, it's 50/50 if you ask me. Feel for the guy but my input goes as far as a security perspective and not a lawyer. Just one of those adrenaline rush moments that clouded his judgement? inexperience is a factor given he could've only held a licence for under 3 years, that's assuming he turns 21 this year. (18 to possess licence) Then again as pointed out, he's a 20 year old lad, he has this on his plate for the rest of his days. There's no winner from all of this regardless of which way it goes. |
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He just has the same powers as Jo Public. It all comes down to the term "reasonable"
Did the security guard act reasonably. Did he have firm grounds to suspect the shoplifter. Did he use reasonable force to detain him. Personally, I would think that a rugby style tackle to stop and detain somebody was reasonable. If he tackled then gave him a few punches and kicks then that is unreasonable. The police have no option but to arrest the guy, I would hope he would be ok in court. Only sticky point is, if the security guard knew the guy had a bottle on his person, he does have a duty of care to think about the guys safety before he tackles him. That is what might be an issue, but it would be very harsh. |
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