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Damien

14-06-2013 09:13

Re: Government to monitor Internet Use

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35583901)

If it's like the anti-terrorism laws it'll be abused. Remember the pensioner being bundled out of the Labour party conference using powers under those laws? You can be sure that all the pebble lensed Arthur Pewty's in local government will be using the eavesdropping results to persecute the popule over the most trivial of offences whilst the real terrorists all use VPNs, proxies and other methods to escape detection.

Or councils using surveillance powers to see if parents are lying about catchment areas? It will be abused. It's not subject to warrants and can be used by the police? They'll easily roll it out to HMRC, councils and more.

Qtx	14-06-2013 12:38

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35583901)

If it's like the anti-terrorism laws it'll be abused. Remember the pensioner being bundled out of the Labour party conference using powers under those laws?

I was in London and took a picture of a building there, only to be approached by two policeman who told me not to take any more pictures and to move on or they would arrest me using anti-terror laws.

Some of the laws made on terror reasons are so open to interpretation the can do pretty much anything using them.

Tezcatlipoca

01-02-2014 13:55

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David Cameron wants fresh push on communications data

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David Cameron wants a fresh push after the next election to "modernise" laws to allow monitoring of people's online activity, after admitting there was little chance of progress before then.

The prime minister told a parliamentary committee that gathering communications data was "politically contentious" but vital to keep citizens safe.

He said TV crime dramas illustrated the value of monitoring mobile data.

A communications data bill was dropped last year after Lib Dem objections.

The idea of the bill was to allow government access to details of who called whom, when and where - although ministers said it would not cover the content of calls.

It would also have extended laws to cover new online forms of communication, such as internet-based phone services like Skype, and there were suggestions it could also give intelligence services real-time access to the data.

'Raised questions'
Critics called it a "snooper's charter", as they had when the previous Labour government floated a similar plan. Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg, who had initially backed the idea of a bill, said the finalised proposals "went too far".

(snip)

[Cameron said] "In the most serious crimes [such as] child abduction communications data... is absolutely vital. I love watching, as I probably should stop telling people, crime dramas on the television. There's hardly a crime drama where a crime is solved without using the data of a mobile communications device."

(snip)

Well, there's a justification I wasn't expecting to be used to renew interest in the Snooper's Charter: Fictional TV detectives regularly solve crime using communications data therefore real detectives need it.

Russ	01-02-2014 14:04

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He'll be bringing in Jack Bauer as a government advisor next.

RizzyKing

01-02-2014 14:08

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Wow even by Dave's standards that is pathetic justification for bringing this back to life totally stupid but shows what people are up against with this conservative party.

Uncle Peter

01-02-2014 14:14

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Meanwhile, GCHQ await a directive from the cabinet office to ensure that all computers display Star Trek style fonts and make strange bleeping noises when text flies across the screen.

Chrysalis

06-02-2014 21:04

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Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35668017)

David Cameron wants fresh push on communications data

Well, there's a justification I wasn't expecting to be used to renew interest in the Snooper's Charter: Fictional TV detectives regularly solve crime using communications data therefore real detectives need it.

so he shapes his policies around crime dramas?

This government and cameron in particular a lot of double standards is coming out.

first its we all in this together which really means the poor are to take the brunt of cuts.
then its we want to reduce government controls and hand holding which translates to councils been told they not allowed to touch pensioners benefits and the bbc been told they not allowed to charge pensioners for tv licenses.
now its they want freedom of speech and privacy yet want more net censorship enforcement.

Gary L

06-02-2014 21:14

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35669957)

so he shapes his policies around crime dramas?

I can't believe he said that.
I can believe he said that, because it's Dave.

but to say TV crime dramas illustrated the value of monitoring mobile data, just shows how stupid the man is.

Damien

06-02-2014 21:22

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35669957)

This Government has managed to be even worse than the last one for civil liberties. Which takes some doing. They passed bills to limit to freedom of the press, they threatened the Guardian for revealing how much our liberties have been damaged, and they recently tried to pass a law which allowed them to take notebooks from Journalists without making such acquisition public!

Chrysalis

06-02-2014 21:24

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yeah I heard about them threatening the guardian over the snowden leaks. disgusting.

Damien

12-05-2014 21:00

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It's baaaacccccckkkkk.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-internet.html

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There is currently a "significant push" from Conservative ministers to revive the controversial Communications Data Bill – described by critics as as a 'snoopers charter' – in the Conservative manifesto.

Also they're sharp as ever at invoking whatever they can to justify it:

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In May last year Drummer Rigby was hacked to death by Michael Adebolajo and his accomplice, Michael Adebowale, in front of passers-by in Woolwich, south east London.

The Intelligence and Security Committee, the parliamentary body which scrutinises the services, has been told by MI5 that in the six months up to the murder there were "a number of incidents" where Adebolajo signalled his intent on the Internet.

However, the clues were not obtained until after his death because the information was held by Internet service providers in the US. Officials have claimed that the US legal system made it difficult to obtain the information.

Really? Because I imagine if you started looking you could find it pretty quickly. I think the problem was that they didn't even think to look into these 'incidents' until they looked into the killers backgrounds. An issue that wouldn't have been prevented had they been able to get to that data quicker. Incidentally that legal system is there to protect American citizens, shows the contempt to which the Government thinks of our legal rights.

RizzyKing

12-05-2014 22:02

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There really is no level too low in the desire to get this legislation in sickening to be honest on top of being a complete load of bull excretia. Such a shame we don't have a credible alternative to vote for and god help us if the Tory's get in with a clear majority.

Qtx	12-05-2014 22:06

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35697665)

Also they're sharp as ever at invoking whatever they can to justify it:

It's either terrorists or think of the children with this and the previous government. Annoying that some of the population still belief this.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35697665)

Someone should teach them how to use google! Surely GCHQ is supposed to spot these kind of things, so it seems it is failing even with its huge budget. I would have thought they would have signed up to many jihadist sites then used curl type scripts to grab all the posts periodically and some scripts to look for keywords to then forward to someone to read.

It's the same with the NSA, they missed the Boston bomber even though there was plenty for them to notice.

Expect the tories to push as much through as quick as they can as they are worried about not getting voted back in again.

---------- Post added at 22:06 ---------- Previous post was at 22:02 ----------

The US is claiming it laws apply in other countries when it comes to American internet companies storing info abroad, I don't see Cameron imposing that kind of will on America. Not that I would want MI5 accessing my data abroad!

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