Government to monitor Internet Use
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745
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After all the promises of a 'freedom bill' designed to roll back the more intrusive aspects of Labour's time in power, after strongly opposing the same measures when Labour tried to introduce this, the government to set to bring forward new laws to allow monitoring of internet usage. |
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this government make lots of promises- what can i say words are cheap :(
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If it protects us from terrorism or crime I'm all for it.
If they start selling our info I'll be against it. |
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Or it is April 1..and this is bogus? :D
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Well I'm left wondering if it's even possible to do in real time..Even if they are skimming the data.Just how many people have they got?:shrug:
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I will need to stop hitting the porno sites..and once they find out I am a closet liberal..well..there goes my credibility
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just search for "Papa smurf does vegas" :D |
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Good old terrorism. the excuse for eveything in this damn country.
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---------- Post added at 13:42 ---------- Previous post was at 13:33 ---------- Actually can't we extend this, and get it to make us some money? we can add swear words to the monitoring filter, and fine everyone that has sworn on the internet. we could even go further and fine people from a list of approved words and phrases. we could make zillions. |
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This will work well to catch those pesky terrorists as long as nobody tells them about VPNs.
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but I think if they feel that there's a need for this then they must be worried about the olympics. then again. if no terrorist activity happens with the olympics then I don't see a need for it. |
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The more we let things like this happen to us. the more will be done to us in stages at a later date.
we will be that used to being nannied and rules being dictated to us. that every extra stage will be an extension of the other, and will be the norm. but remember. it's a lot like petrol. once it's at that stage there will be no going back. This isn't about terrorism or crime. it's all part of the Big Plan. nobody has even mentioned saving the life of a child for a start. which makes you suspicious. I thought we were going to be like Americans. but it looks like we're going to be Chinese. you have been warned, and good luck comrade. |
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I can see Internet tax coming here.
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THEY ARE WATCHING/LISTENING/MONITORING YOU :D |
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If you expect the worse, you will alway be a miserable sod....;)
However, hope for the best, plan for the worst.... |
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If people use it a lot, don't tell David, he will find another of getting a tax out of it.
At the moment various companies charge for a connection fee. BUT according to a Tv guy that offerd advice on saving money, BT have the lines for phones etc, BUT companies offer connection offers, but its already there, so why the connection fee.. |
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http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...eb-monitoring-
You know thought this april fool but express do write up too. Still suspected it april fool waited for tha aha got people. Folks its worse if aint april fool. Its actually very distateful worse then when ID cards got mooted many moons ago. Phone taps included seems we will be totally monitered from web, email and phone. Now if remember labour under blair looked at the americans NSA system. Now how would they get around the law land that must goto courts for warrant and have suspecting wrong doing. It means they have to follow A procedure. To do this would destroy our constitution of OUR RIGHTS. Under labour the same concerns came up who watches these watchers from using it political means rather anti terrorists. It got crushed then seems its being resurfaced. Either cameron really really stupid or his in mindset of committing political harrycarry. Worry it could easily be illegally used to opress nation. To stop rights to strike rights to march and any other liberty such freedom speach. Another is what about politians being tapped information then could be held against the oposite party whoever in government in time. I think once we start going down absolute secret society of knowing everything anything of every single human being respect is gone of people in power. |
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Why do they want to monitor internet use, terrorism?
The latest mortality statistic I could get my hands on was for England and Wales from 2010. Of the total 493,242 deaths in 2010 not one was due to terrorism. So if the government is interested in protecting the public from harm they could look at for example the 141,446 deaths due to cancers and neoplasms as this was up +0.7% on the previous year or digestive diseases (25,662) up +1.7% on 2009. I know money is already spent in these areas and I'm not saying counter-terrorism is not important but we need prospective. If we are so frightened of terrorism that we are willing to give up the presumption of innocence then the terrorist have already won. I know what you’re thinking; another wishy-washy liberal, if I’ve got nothing to hide, I’ve got nothing to fear, right! I just don’t want to be treated like a criminal without reasonable suspicion. The use of existing anti-terror laws don’t exactly have a good track record, no reason to think the data collected if this goes through would be any different, assuming they don’t just leave it on a train. ---------- Post added at 02:10 ---------- Previous post was at 01:54 ---------- Quote:
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does anybody think this might be the PHORM thing back
rizzyking will be pleased if this could be PHORM involved. |
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Yep scary thought data integrity agree this fear all about raising money but there also danger it misused. We should not take anything face value. I can only imagine how much this will cost to monitor telephones, internet and discussion networks. theres alot manpower or this there way to create jobs with loads and loads snoops. Scary thought what we typing here being monitored. Why dont they go wholly paraniod have microchips, keyloggers installed in phones, keyboards. Hang on giving these idiots ideas again. I actually wondering what they scared off. |
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They are not interested in anything we type here but that’s not the point.
If the government passed a law that said a civil servant could enter your home at will and stand watching over your shoulder as you browsed the web or composed and email there would be rioting in the streets about it. We should not be prepared to accept this level of intrusion into our personal lives from afar. |
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There was stink awhile back about that Cisco was going to put camera in there cisco boxes for targeted advertising. So technology there go much further not sure I would not under estimate that they want to monitor everything. America NSA very intrusive would assume we use this model. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsa |
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Read carefully the privacy policy of your "free" antivirus program should you have one installed, particularly Avast. Your browsing history potentially tracked under your nose with carte blanched to do with it whatever they want assuming you accepted the EULA.
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Since they're the ones in power, making the rules and the laws, how the bloody hell can we stop them?! And please don't naively say 'We can vote them out' - two problems with that: 1) Until the General Election comes up we can't, so what happens in the meantime? 2) Who's to say the next lot will be any better? I'm not holding my breath. What's the use of using VPN for everything? They'll just take that as an excuse to say 'Ooh, what's he got to hide, then?' - failing to understand, as the last several UK governments have failed to understand, that there is a qualitative difference between a desire for privacy and having something to hide! Next thing you know, using any secure communication method will be outlawed to all but the powers that be. Oh, they'd love that, wouldn't they? I wouldn't put anything past them. In the US, for example, the NSA's atttitude seems to be that no-one except the US Government, i.e. they themselves, should be allowed to use encryption. Criminal suspects are required by law to surrender encryption keys...yet there's no mention of the good old Fifth Amendment. Newsflash, peeps: this has NOTHING, NOTHING WHATSOEVER, to do with terrorism, and it never did! They have read 1984 and seen it not as a warning, but as an instruction manual! Mertle asked 'what are they scared of' - the answer's very simple: their own citizens. I only wish we had the power to give them a reason to be scared, Once again I note in passing as a precautionary measure that I do not intend to disappear at any time in the near future. |
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I suspect monitoring everyone will do little to prevent terrorism and if it goes through my guess is we will be reading in the papers in a year or twos time how it has been misused. |
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It’s not that using a VPN makes you more likely to be a criminal. It’s that a criminal is more likely to use a VPN. The Chinese can’t monitor everyone but if you’re encrypting your emails they assume you’re up to no good. |
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Semi-agree. I do think that making a law like this will make VPN use far more common if only because people are paranoid about their privacy, even if it's just down to not wanting the government to know their sexual, political or religious persuasions. The government can give all kinds of reassurances but civil servants looking over our shoulders will be how it is interpreted. This is déj* vu since Labour tried this before and I think I made the same argument then. I really don't think this will pass with the current parliamentary makeup, but who knows what future elections will bring.
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Write to your MP complaining about this, and get your friends and family to do this as well.
This proposal was wrong before, and it's wrong now. |
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I don't think that using the excuse "it will help in the prevention of terrorism" will wash with most people .As things stand at the moment we have a very good track record at preventing terrorism in this country and see no reason to clamp down further
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Terrorism is just an excuse for everything they want to do. just the same as blaming another party for why they have to make cuts and introduce new and raised charges is.
unless they showed us proof that this country was at serious risk of a major terrorist attack, then there's no reason for it. we're not stupid. the olympics is a major event and an opportunity for terrorist activity. if that goes by with no major incident then there's no need for it. |
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Or the security in place prevented a major incident....
That's like saying you don't need a burglar alarm, window locks, or strong locks on the doors of your house, because you have never had a burglary (even thought the burglar alarm, window locks, and strong door locks deterred/prevented the burglar....). Anyhoo, the Daily Mash's take on it is quite amusing, imho. Quote:
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What gets me the country broke thats what they keep bashing us. Yet we not too broke for madcap ideoligistic policies. dining rich or giving them nice tax relief.
The reports it will cost 2bn it more likely cost more and yearly costs would be not cheap. |
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The £2bn figure is over 10 years and most of that is required anyway under EU rules.
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You guys do realise that they will need a warrant to instigate monitoring of the calls/web/email of the persons of interest and that this isn't a blanket monitoring of the internet
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From 3 years ago.:rolleyes:
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Must not be allowed to happen it really musn't neither this government or any of the potential ones in the future have the common sense not to misuse this sort of power and as for the whole warrant thing lol lol lol yes because we have never done surveilance in the past without warrants have we. This is simply the biggest invasion of privacy ever considered in this country and the citizens of this country have always had the right within reason and must continue to have freedom of speech without feeling they may be persecuted for what they say.
Look at the nsa in the US to see how good intentions can go badly wrong they are an agency that routinely infringes the rights of US citizens and rarely if ever get bought to task about it. This whole "terrorism" argument for all the extra monitoring and security is getting a bit thin now and is not valid also this system would not prevent that there are ways to communicate securely that would not be picked up by this system so terrorism as the excuse is complete bs. Oh for the money to leave this country i would be off like a shot and given that at one point in time i would happily have died to defend this country i think thats a sad way for me to now think but i also know many others who share the sentiment. |
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Why are people only now complaining about something that was enacted 3 years ago.:rolleyes:
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Doubt it will come to pass.After a few years it will probably be abandoned as too expensive and unwieldy.
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This is not the same as that, though. It takes it a step further. The retention directive means that ISPs have to keep the records for a year, and provide them upon receiving a correct and legal request from an authorised party... which AFAIK requires a warrant. The new proposals would enable GCHQ to access the same information in real-time, and without a warrant. Even with it still "only" concerning the date/time/name/address of the communications in question, and not the actual content (without a warrant), I am still extremely opposed to this. |
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I rather suspect the bottom line is that the increased use of voip based interconnections and remote teleconference access is hurting our friends in North Yorkshire from engaging in their routine practice of state sponsored industrial espionage ;) |
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Looking at any content would still need a warrant.
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To suggest that such a mechanism would not be abused is rather naive. |
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But it has been claimed that no warrant will be required for the real-time on-demand access to the other information, and that is still IMO a step too far. |
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Limited access without a warrant is needed because of the potential network of contacts springing up out of just 1 initial suspect. Eg Suspect X will contact A, B, C, D, E, and F, who will in turn contact a series of people. How can you get a warrant that covers the never ending list of yet unknown possible suspects? You would need to know quickly who was contacting who.
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If Theresa May wants easier access to our internet info, I think it's only fair to ask for hers...I mean, so long as she has nothing to hide, nothing to fear, then what's the problem ;)
WhatDoTheyKnow.com - "Theresa May's Internet History" ---------- Post added at 22:26 ---------- Previous post was at 22:08 ---------- Ah, I remember the olden days (well, 2009)... Tories outline plans to shrink 'surveillance state' Quote:
-------------- Good articles: Web monitoring will lead to discrimination and blackmail The surveillance state: growing under a coalition that pledged to reverse it |
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Sound bites were so much better in the eighteenth century.
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http://news.sky.com/home/article/16204656
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They might use this as a reason to licence the internet or something. can't have people upsetting the government and seen as fighting back.
is this just the beginning you ask. yes I say. |
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Hackers 'target Home Office site'
Peaceful protest of government plans to monitor the internet or playing right into the governments hands, justifying the very thing they are protesting against? |
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Prevention is better than cure.. is all Im sayin'
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The more I think about this, the more I am concerned.
Not actually so much by this law, but by what happens afterward.. Why am I not concerned about this law? Simply because I don't believe it will work. Why don't I believe it will work? Well, the government has made it public. An act that will tell every terrorist group and criminal that their electronic communications are likely to be monitored. As such, they are going to switch to encrypted communications that are bounced off many proxies. GCHQ may catch a few terrorists, but how many of the really competent (and therefore dangerous) ones are they likely to get? No, my concern is this... They introduced the last law saying it was to catch terrorists. Clearly it hasn't worked as well as they want, as they want the new law. What will they want in three years time when this fails? |
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because it's being 'monitored' you'll probably get loads of people messing about by connecting to an open wifi and saying where they're going to put the bomb. then we'll have that much distruption that someone will smack Dave's head and say DOH! |
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So... I've requested an Internal Review ;) WhatDoTheyKnow.com - "Theresa May's Internet History" |
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That's so not like the Home Office to miss a deadline!
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Yes, they do seem to have a problem with using calendars ;) :D
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The government has included this in the Queens Speech. They look like they are going to try and do it.
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It hasn't worked at all as far as I can see. And, three years? I doubt they'll even wait that long. They'll have to get it in before the next general election, especially as I read somewhere that the Lib Dems are talking about leaving the coalition. |
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So, the Home Office finally replied to my FOI request asking for Theresa May's Internet History... and surprise surprise, they claim they had no records of my original request! :shocked: Funny, that...
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Politicians and governments lying is nothing new but the sheer audacity of introducing the same policy so near to the time you opposed it is remarkable. |
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I wonder if Labour will now reverse their stance officially and start oposing this,or will they stay quiet hoping that the coalition will do their dirty work for them
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Sad but true, the British public are a bit like a battered house wife, the government promises to change but continues to beat us with the same tired policies. It's not even like there are plenty more fish in the sea, only sharks. |
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see terresa may got herself in twist trying justify snoop technology. More gaffs she does less chance it will be implemented.
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http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...#comment-27957
FOI request update: Unhappy with the Home Office's alleged inability to find any trace of my original request, I contacted WhatDoTheyKnow.com, and was told that "our email logs show that the original request message on 3rd April was accepted by the Home Office's advertised email servers that day". As such, I have got back to the Home Office, and again requested an internal review, as I believe that my original request was received and therefore the Home Office has missed the original deadline required by law. |
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but never forget that you are only a member of the public and therefore have no right to know what your government is doing |
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The Home Office got back to me on the 17th, sticking with the "we didn't receive it" line.
I then received a final reply today, refusing my FOI request due to section 12 (cost). They said I could revise my request to bring it under the cost limit, & resubmit it, but that some of it (I'd assume most ;) ) may then be refused under section 40 (personal information) instead. This amuses me, as two main reasons I reject the Home Office's own snooping proposals are of course personal information and cost... http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...ncoming-284523 http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...e%20Letter.pdf http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...etter.pdf.html |
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Monitoring email isnt practical.
Most likely they will get the major isps to tow the line VM, BT etc. For them it will incredibly expensive to do, as there is huge volumes of email on the net and even only just logging headers for a few days takes a lot of resources, so what they would have to do for this legislation would be enormous cost. Probably paid for by some corp tax cuts. However this is incredibly easy to evade, just host email overseas and in case broadband isp's try to sniff email ports then access email using encryption job done. Its also probable small email providers in the uk wont even bother with this. There is 100s of email providers in a very saturated market. |
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found this on my googling. More sinister this.
http://www.euractiv.com/infosociety/...ns-news-512833 So basically there setting up E-ID electronic id system which then can track transactions. therefore once E-ID in place they can facilitate monitoring. So effectivaly its homeland security for internet. |
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Awesome. I've been name-checked by Hugh Muir in The Guardian regarding my FOI request for Theresa May's Internet History: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...jeremy-heywood
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