UKIP has (had) a new leader
 

Diane James has been elected UKIP's leader, succeeding Nigel Farage:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37387162

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Her eye swivels much better than the rest of the loons so fair enough. They were some very scary candidates.

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Who? Seriously James who? Isn't it time they just follow nigels example and went away, their whole reason for being no longer exists

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UKIP's polling is on the decline anyway given it's mission accomplished so it's a bit of a poisoned chalice.

She's about as good as sane people could hope for, however as she's not 'Nige' I doubt she'll be able to maintain UKIP's position.

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He'll be back....

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I predict a media career. He's already doing a regular spot on LBC which is highly entertaining.

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I don't know much about her but doubt she has what it takes to make me consider voting for UKIP not so much a reflection on her as my personal dislike for what many in UKIP stand for. If they are to continue as a political force in the UK she faces many challenges as people will view UKIP as a non issue party now she will need to redirect them and develop a detail of policy that hasn't existed before or has been very badly represented. I can see the name disappearing within a couple of years assuming brexit actualky happens with what's happening with labour a reposition in the political balance may be a chance for them to sway some current labour MP's.

Now that our main opposition party has chosen to implode we desperately need an alternative that may appeal to many more that do not view the lib dems as an option.

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I think the question on everyone's lips is what does she drink ,pints or sherry ?

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Yup. He also looks like he is courting the American alt-right circuit. Hence his appearance with Trump, I think anyone who eyed a return to British politics wouldn't do that.

---------- Post added at 12:02 ---------- Previous post was at 11:59 ----------

Diane James is presumably going to push for the old Labour vote as opposed to the Tory vote.

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Some people are on the pitch... they think it's all over... it is now!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-as-successor/

Yes, she's hasn't even lasted as long as Sam Alardyce. :spin:

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A story will published by The Times tonight is the rumour. God knows what it could be.

In the meantime a front runner named Figel Narage has emerged:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...10/1.png?w=540

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He's in disguise hoping nobody will recognise him... :D

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I preferred him with the hitler task even if it was a microphone. Why is this even news, irrelevant party loses leader no one has heard of to be replaced by another nobody. The referendum is over, you won now get over it and go away, you're no longer needed.

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A family illness was given as one of the reasons so that is understandable.

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The truth will no doubt come out no doubt but I heard one UKIP figure on the radio this morning claiming there'd been serious doubts about her suitability to take on the role from day one. Of course there's often infighting in politics but I'm wondering if there'll turn out to be more to this than it seems.

Whatever the real reason is (and it may be a combination of things) UKIP do seem to be lurching from one self imposed 'crisis' to another but I hear Farage has once again ruled out a return...

Update:

.... which inevitably means, he's back! :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561065

... albeit temporarily...

... he reckons... :D

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They call him 'Mystic Hugh'. BTW what are the lotto numbers going to be this week ? ;)

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I think the UKIP party will be back with a bang. The story was that 'she' didn't have the support of the whole party.

But we need a party that will tackle everything for the working class of this Country. As the Labour Party will never win an election. As it is the public vote and NOT a party vote that will sort out Corbyn

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I hate to burst you bubble Arthur but UKIP have only one MP and their MEPs will soon be out of a job.They barely have a presence in Parliament. They are basically a one cause party and now they have achieved their aim I don't see any consolidation especially now that most of their aims have now been adopted by the Conservatives..

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In your best Lionel Richie voice: You're once, twice, three times a leader. :D

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:D

Legally, I don't think he ever actually stopped being leader.

http://www.politico.eu/article/nigel...l-ukip-leader/

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One less in the running - three down, four left..


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37821383

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Keith Chegwin is definitely is going to run I hear. Should be a formality for Cheggers, he's vastly more talented than then other candidates.

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Good grief Mr K you are easily pleased...;)

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He got caught out early on with the history of his Twitter feed. The abusive Trumpian style comments are less successful in the UK.

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How long before Farage needs to come back? This guy seems a bit off the rails:

His site claimed he had lost close friends as Hillsborough but then denied it: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...alse-1.2975604

He has previously claimed to be a professional footballer when he wasn't:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/236899...ler-on-his-cv/

So now he has deleted this website: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/287762...ough-disaster/

and didn't turn up to hustlings: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7583386.html

It's bizarre....

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Some say it's just the inevitable result of not being as accomplished at lying, spinning and cheating as those political parties which have had hundreds of years practice... ;)

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oh yes with famous whoppers like student fee's and i will invoke article 50 .......

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Doesn't take a political genius to work out you don't lie about something so easily verifiable. What's the point? Someone will look it up and it's just wrong. It's not like fudging a statistic or spinning a story to make yourself look better. Besides UKIP are hardly new at this point.

It's still not clear if he was at Hillsborough either. Don't really want to call someone a liar on that charge without definitive proof though.

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like student fee's

Don't really want to call cleggy a liar on that charge without definitive proof though ;)

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The story is that there is a question over the claims of being at Hillsborough, as there is no police statement or knowledge from the support group. However that doesn't amount to the proof it's a lie. Maybe he just never went to the police or the support group and the club don't have a record. So that's why it should be treated with caution.

As for Clegg the student fees are a perfect example of why you don't lie on something so easily proven wrong or at least make promises you're unable to meet.

Anyway the lying isn't so much of a big deal, it's very weird. It's the bizarreness of doing it when it's hard to see the advantage.

I mean he might still win, Labour are awful, the Tories have pulled out and being dishonest didn't hurt Trump.

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i can't find the link now but from what i read earlier the labour candidate seems to be trying hard to not get any votes .

trump dishonest ?

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He seems fairly accomplished at it... ;)

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just found this

Stoke byelection: Lib Dems alert police over text urging Muslims to vote Labour

The Lib Dems have alerted the police after messages sent to some Muslim voters in Stoke-on-Trent suggested they could go to hell if they failed to vote Labour to keep out Ukip’s Paul Nuttall.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...to-vote-labour

The text of the message sent to Muslim voters in Stoke
Aslamalaykam my Brothers and Sisters.

In this country, we Must vote due to Necessity / Majboori.

This does not mean that we can vote for any Tom, Dick or Harry.

This means that in order to stop the Far Right, Anti Muslim, Anti Islamic UKIP Party, we must vote for

the Strongest candidate.

If Dr Ali takes 500 Votes and Yaqub Mirza takes a 100 votes and UKIP defeat the Labour Party

Candidate Gareth Snell by 550 votes, then You will have succeeded in helping to Elect an Anti

Muslim and Anti Islam MP.

Ok, you will have made Dr Ali and Mohammed Yaqub Akram (Mirza) happy Losers.

&

You will have given a slap to our local councillors.

But.

Will you be able to answer for this in the Grave and on the Final Day???

“I helped the Enemies of Islam because.....”

May ALLAH TALLAH Grant Us All Hidayat, Ameen.

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Yup. He also has some questionable Tweets.

I bet the Tories are regretting pulling out of Stoke given the poor qualify of the candidates.

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The really accomplished liars don't get caught out so easily. ;)

People like Blair were really very good at it. ably assisted by real experts like Campbell. Only time and a massively costly and equally protracted inquiry scratched the surface of his duplicity...

Compared to them, UKIP are relative amateurs and it's showing as it did during Farage's reign.

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Excellent - they lie badly, which is a good thing..

Perhaps they could just not lie?

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You think they would have had time to recruit better and train better then. This isn't an apprentice job.

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I didn't say lying's a good thing. Lying badly is better for us than lying well. At least a bad liar can be outed quickly unlike a consumate expert like Blair who strung us along for over 10 years.

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We're not electing Blair now though, this is a specifically about Nuttall.

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What you mean like the Labour party who elected Corbyn, Miliband, Foot and Kinnock as leader?..

:rofl: ;)

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Well yes. I've been pretty clear Corbyn is not up to the job from before he was elected. Nuttell it would appear is also not up to it if he doesn't get a good result in this by-election. UKIP especially should be making serious inroads into the Labour heartlands.

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If it takes Labour 120 years to come up with a leader like Corbyn propped up by people like Momentum* I don't think we should expect too much from UKIP. :D

* How anyone could link Corbyn with the word 'momentum' is beyond me. Now 'inertia' on the other hand... :D

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I don't get this either. I understand why he denied saying that he wanted to privatise the NHS as this is not a vote-winner. But the other mistakes on his LinkedIn page or personal website do not win votes. They include:
* He has a PhD.
* He played professional football for Tranmere Rovers.

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mine says i have

a Bsc
Ssc
Hnd

to the uneducated thats
a bronze swimming cert
a silver swimming cert
and Higher than Normal Depression ;)

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Not sure it will hurt him but if he loses badly it might call his leadership into question. I think Hillsborough is the most likely of the issues to cost him votes in Stoke.

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I think so as well. His lack of condemnation of UKIP-funding, multi-millionaire Arron Banks's comments on Hillsborough are big mistake. But does UKIP have anyone lined up to replace him apart from Farage (again) who is now busy with LBC and Fox as well as being an MEP as well as keeping a watching brief on Brexit?

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...-ukip-12608286

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Oh look, another kipper out of their depth telling lies...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...87136.html?amp

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The sad thing is TD is people still seem to vote for these lying obfuscating politicians..:rolleyes:

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It's better than not voting at all, if the majority become to disenfranchised the only ones left will be the hardcore of extremists and you really don't want those types deciding elections, you could go from communist to fascist in the space of weeks left to them. What has become apparent is that this shower of game amateurs that is UKIP are no better than the professional shower that have been lying to us for years, if they're not careful we'll elect someone to drain the swamp :Yikes:

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l agree its far better voting for someone rather then not voting at all but sadly the choices put in front of us all are lamentable to say the least.

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I still see UKIP having a good chance. Apparently the Liberals are eating into Labour's vote in Stoke.

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you can thank tony bliar and the labour candidate for damaging their own campaign .

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Sounds like you might be thinking of picking up the baton yourself, Den. :)

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Well given my inability to come out with a clear and concise answer to questions l might get the odd one or two votes if one is nominated.;)

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get a bad wig it'll do wonders for your street cred ;)

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Den is a bad whig :)

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No thanks old boy as l would rather people take me as l am..;)

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I think it's their current leader that's the problem.

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Well any of the alternatives are no salvation. They're doomed. :)

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FPTP means they probably aren't. 2020 looks a lot cause though barring any major crisis.

I think the future for Labour will be a fresh face that takes over once Brexit no longer divides the party. I am not sure what their platform would be but that would be the job of a new leader to work out. You would have to say under such circumstances, Brexit out of the way, they might do well after 2020.

Either that or a realignment of politics in general which the existing parties splitting, reforming etc. That seems less likely though.

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No matter which way you go it will still be "same old, same old". The only difference is it would be given a different wrapper.

I do wish some of us surfs learned their place in the higherachy of the country.:D

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Corbyn is probably worse then Foot although the leaders of the other party leaders ain't much to write home about either so we are not exactly enamoured with much good choice at the moment in British politics currently.:td:

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Ah, you noticed. Even the leaders have leaders.

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Things are not getting any better for Paul Nuttall. It would have been expedient for him to distance himself from Arron Banks's Hillsborough comments and a natural thing to do as a Liverpool supporter. He just isn't demonstrating common sense. And a photo of his supporters taken in Bolton stated as being in Stoke adds to his reputation for inaccuracy.

Two UKIP Merseyside officials QUIT over Paul Nuttall Hillsborough saga
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...-quit-12628085

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Personally I think we're being too harsh. Parliament needs more of this kind of creative thinking. Imagine Nuttall regaling parliament of his many adventures around the world! The time he and Nikola Tesla broke into Edison's house and stole his equipment, his brief but intense affair with Audrey Hepburn, his time advising President Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis, his infamous touchdown in the last play of Superbowl XXXVIII or the shrimp company he started with Lieutenant Dan. The man just has so much to contribute to politics.

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Well, despite having labelled it the Brexit capital, Paul Nuttall failed to win Stoke.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...t-consolation/

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:D

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ah well that's democracy at work we must accept the democratic will of those who voted

well done to the winner :clap:

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I second that papa. A lot of people will be disappointed with the result but that's how it goes. Perhaps Gareth Snell will invite Mr Nuttall to share the role of MP as this system of winners and losers is unfair. Meh. Boo fricketty hoo :rolleyes:

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what :shocked::shocked::shocked: i thought because mr nuttall came second they had to implement his wishes because people didn't understand what they voted for and that's how it works in libtardia land .

you seem to imply that the winner is top in the pecking order :shocked::shocked:

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I'm sure Mr Nuttall is perfectly entitled to take this to court. Gina will be on the case right now. If Mr Snell thinks he can be top dog on the basis of just ONE majority vote, he has another think coming. The cheeky barsteward.

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unfortunately mr nuttall is bald so no hairdressers coming to the rescue ;)

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:D Shouldn't 1someone1 be posting link after emboldened link about this electoral swiz?

A remoaning tumbleweed just blew across the forum.

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Nice to see the children enjoying themselves in their echo chamber... ;)

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Oh come on, you can do better than that. Can't you?

Where are all the remoaning minnies? Sucking their thumbs in a darkened room I suspect pmsl :p:

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People do realise the people in Stoke will be able to change their mind in no more than 3 years time? UKIP are entitled to continue to campaign in Stoke, stand again in Stoke and criticise the now sitting Labour MP. Democracy is ongoing, no one wins forever.

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Indeed l remember when Blair was in power and won 3 elections many were saying the Conservatives were facing a existential crisis and thus Labour before that and now but it did not happen then and it won't happen now.

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People also realise that the agenda will be driven by the elected MP. A circuitous exchange is redundant I would suggest.

We need to be very careful about how democracy works and as importantly, how it is perceived to be working. The change that's in the air might run away with us; cool heads are required.

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Handbags at UKIP: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...d=tmg_share_tw

Farage seems to want Carswell kicked out over claims he didn't try hard enough, even maybe mocked, attempts to get Farage appointed to the House of Lords or a Knighthood.

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A party like Labour who are in a steepening freefall crisis but that does not mean that the present government is much cop either sadly as all they are is just the best of a awfully bad bunch and that's not saying much.

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Only if it suits them :D

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The end is nigh for UKIP IMO.

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Ukip’s only MP, Douglas Carswell, has dramatically quit the party, declaring that – after Brexit – it is a case of “job done”.

The Clacton MP will sit as an independent, scotching – for now at least – rumours that he would rejoin the Conservatives.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7649516.html

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He won't rejoin the Conservatives, because he has set a personal precedent of resigning and forcing a by election under such circumstances. He doesn't need to do so anyway, he is a Tory in all but name and the Tory whips will be able to count on his vote on all the important issues.

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This has been mentioned before and I think it's quite credible.

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He is a weasel, always has been in my eyes... I hope has a back up plan for 2020, because he won't keep that Seat IMO.

Staying on as an MP I would suggest, to purely to ride the expenses gravy train.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...love-seat.html

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Certainly one to watch. Maybe he will rejoin the Conservative Party in 2020?

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l doubt it Andrew.

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I don't, just before the next election to, there won't be any opposition to him rejoining either as long as he doesn't create any controversy between now and then.

It's all going well for the kippers, a deluded liar for a leader, the money man has headed for the hills and even Nigel can't really be bothered with them anymore.

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but they got the job done UK Independence is happening .

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I think he should call a by-election. I don't recall him saying to the electorate that he'd quit the party if the referendum went UKIP's way yet all these months after the vote, he's claiming it's job done. If he thinks UKIP's suddenly a basket case he should at least say so and let the electorate decide whether he remains their MP.

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Agreed

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Why are they still here then?

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maybe the process needs policing until its completion

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To stop any backsliding by closet remoaners.

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yes the anti democratic back stabbing libtard brigade need watching 24/7 ;)

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Ably answered below.


There is still a battle going on. We need to stop any attempted watering down of a hard Brexit.

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It's not over until the fat Eurocrats sign. :)