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This man is a disgrace

http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/london/wes...local-funding/

Trying to make a political point when the dead haven't even been counted.

There has been no investigation yet, nobody knows why it started, why it spread the way it did.

The cost of refurbing that building was £8.7 million.

He's vile.

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I don't think so, I think he has a point.

But then again, after everything that has been said prior, I find it more of a disgrace from Theresa May to say 'Lessons need to be learnt from this'.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b09ad4fbe45929

Somehow her words to say there will be an investigation doesn't give me too much hope.

Totally devastating and heart wrenching to watch and hear what people are saying.

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For those that can you may wish to help here.

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfund...term=YbWRRPZEM

Most of the residents have lost everything and only have what they stand up in. They need help now not when the "Official" process kicks in.

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Not one that needs making while they are still counting the dead.

Trying to score points off this is exactly why this man should never be in charge.

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I think the Looney left supporters need to give it a rest with every little thing they can find to out the Tories.

The building had 8.7m spent on it so what the need to do is look at the company doing it and add up the costs as to where the 8.7m actually went and look to the company contracted to do the buildings.

Unlike Labour who seems to think money is endless you can't just keep giving money away which is more realistic I would have considered the money to do the flat up was a huge amount. So Lessons do need to be learned from this.

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Yes, lessons need to be learnt but to try to make political capital out of a tragedy is irreprihensible.

The guy's a butthole!

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The idea with large scale residential accommodation is to contain any outbreak of fire long enough for the fire brigade to get there. If a centralised fire alarm system was there then hundreds of people would have tried to leave the building at the same time, each time somebody burnt the toast. Usually there would be no need to evacuate the whole building.

The boundary walls, ceiling and floors of each flat should be fire resistant. Is it possible that the common walls, ceilings, and floors between flats were not fire resistant? That would have helped the fire spread more easily. If the exterior cladding was flammable, that would have helped the fire bypass any fire resistant walls etc.

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Actually The exit route should be smoke free if all building regs are met. ie Communal areas outside the flat door are protected with with access doors fitted with intumescent strips sealing the doors in event of fire.
The fire escape access doors should be also simarlally be protected. We should not pre-empt it by speculation either.

Although the intumescent strips only really activate with heat forming a tight seal they should resist smoke before the heat gets there If doors are fitted properly

So, in event of fire walk outside your flat into the communal area, walk to the fire escape and if everything has been fitted correctly walk down the smoke/heat free stairwell and exit.

For everything to work as it should all communal doors,flat front doors and flat kitchen doors should be fitted with firedoors and door closers.

Due to the time the fire broke out there is also the problem of the fire alarm reportedly not working. The LFB enquiry will reveal all and should not be ignored by local or national government.

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There are different practicalities between a building with a handful of flats and 120.That will be the reason for the advice for them to stay put. Each flat is meant to be fire-resistant in it's own right. That should limit the rate of spread of any fire to other flats. It would seem the rate of spreading of the fire was the problem. If you were to assume a rate as short as 30 minutes to reach an adjoining flat, then only a few flats should be affected before the fire brigade got there.It should have taken several hours to reach the top floor.

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Sadly politicians from all colours have been doing that since the year dot and will continue to do it.

If I lived in a tower block I'd be getting smoke hoods and perhaps even sorting a emergency bag with photocopies of essential documents

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No he doesn't! Any evidence that any cuts to
LA funding directly or even indirectly contributed to this disaster. I'll bee happy to see it. Do you have any?

You don't think lessons should be learnt?

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Absolutely, cutting the funding budget by 40% can only have helped the situation, same as closing 10 fire stations in London and cutting 50% of that boroughs fire services will of only helped.


More like we're sick of that phrase being trotted out tragedy after tragedy without any lessons ever seemingly being learnt at all.

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Sadly come the next tragedy those exact same phrases will still be trotted out by politicians who come out and pay insincere lip service during these tragedy's and then go back in their box and do diddly squat about it TD.

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Just a few weeks ago Corbyn's cronies were telling us how they'd not be making political capital out of the Manchester attack in the immediate aftermath. That approach didn't last long did it. It was just too big an opportunity to have another dig at the Government before the facts could either corroborate or contradict their claims. Nasty people like Livingstone who have a long history of causing insult regardless of the circumstances. Anyone would think disasters never happened on their watch and they always learned the lessons regardless of minor details like cost, practicality etc... :rolleyes:

We have a huge legacy of decades old tower blocks in the UK, what did Labour do about these tower blocks during their 13 years in office? Did they modernise them all? Did they stop at nothing to remove every possible risk factor from high rise living? Why didn't they insist that sprinkler systems were universally installed and retro-fitted when they were running the show? Does anyone really think that had this not happened and Corbyn been elected that he'd have immediately set in place a huge nationwide programme to tackle this sort of thing? Where was that commitment on such a pressing issue in his manifesto? This is nothing but the sort of political muckraking and opportunist point scoring that Labour specialise in and frankly anyone who seriously believes they'd have done anything different is deluded.

If it turns out, as it seems, that the major problem here was an unforeseen issue with the type of cladding and other materials used on this refurbishment how on earth is that the Government's fault? Presumably the materials will have passed all the relevant tests required by the agencies responsible for such matters and been given the green light so what more could have been done until this happened and exposed the reality that in a certain, perhaps highly unlikely, set of circumstances this could occur? What has Theresa May got to do with any of this except for the fact that she's a target for some very desperate and nasty people?

This world is full of disasters waiting to happen and if our government dedicated itself to eradicating very possible risk the UK would grind to a halt. In the real world judgements have to be made and things like cost v. risk considered. Yes it's all very well people jumping on the bandwagon demanding this that and the other be done but when they're asked to pay the higher prices, bear the increased taxes and suffer the inevitable disruption, regulatory burdens etc. etc. they whine about it. How many people can't even be bothered to ensure fire doors are shut in their buildings? I've been in plenty where the residents jam them open for their convenience. What can HMG do about that I wonder? In an ideal world we'd all have nice detached houses with nice safe gardens, sadly we live in the real world and there's nothing any government can do to remove every iota of risk in our lives.