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New to cable 12-02-2012 16:02

Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
There is a petition for the Air Ambulance's to get the V.A.T back on fuel. Sign it and share if its something that you think should change. It may already be on here somewhere.



http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29349

Gary L 12-02-2012 16:16

re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
I'd sign it, but Dave is going to say no anyway.

martyh 12-02-2012 16:40

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i thought they already could claim VAT back on items used in the course of running the business or charity ?.

Hugh 12-02-2012 16:45

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Signed.

Some background...

Kymmy 12-02-2012 17:09

re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
Signed and forwarded to a couple more forums :clap: Let's hope it gets the 100,000 signatures needed to get it discussed

denphone 12-02-2012 17:10

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Signed forthwith.

martyh 12-02-2012 17:23

re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
signed it ,can someone confirm that this is so they don't have to pay the vat when they buy the fuel as opposed to reclaiming it as a buisness would

martyh 12-02-2012 17:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35380657)
They can only reclaim it. Not charging VAT on the fuel is against EU rules. AFAIK Once VAT has been applied to any product it cannot be zero rated again. Only reduced to a rate of 5%.

gotcha ,thanks for the explanation .if this petition gets a result it would make a big difference to the daily cash flow of £7,200 per day in fuel

Sirius 12-02-2012 18:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by New to cable (Post 35380587)
There is a petition for the Air Ambulance's to get the V.A.T back on fuel. Sign it and share if its something that you think should change. It may already be on here somewhere.



http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29349

:clap:

Stuart 12-02-2012 18:32

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Signed and posted on facebook.

thenry 12-02-2012 18:49

re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
Signed

Ravenheart 12-02-2012 19:02

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signed and linked on FB

gba93 12-02-2012 19:05

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Signed

Could I suggest that the title of the thread be amended to be a little more eye-catching as this is a very worthwhile petition which is probably getting lost in the current title - thanks.

Tuftus 12-02-2012 21:13

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Signed.

Hugh 12-02-2012 21:18

Re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35380736)
Signed

Could I suggest that the title of the thread be amended to be a little more eye-catching as this is a very worthwhile petition which is probably getting lost in the current title - thanks.

Done

data0002 12-02-2012 22:25

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Signed

Uncle Peter 12-02-2012 23:13

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Done thank you.

And all, you can donate or payroll give to your local air ambulance charity.

New to cable 12-02-2012 23:25

Re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35380602)
I'd sign it, but Dave is going to say no anyway.


"Dave" will say no because people like you don't sign......

You have an opinion and a voice, it may or may not make a difference but never just give in.

The Air Ambulance is funded by us, the people who donate week in week out, I may never need it but that's not why I support it. Infact I signed the petition and I give to the Air Ambulance but it might be YOU that needs it.

Even though you haven't got the time to sign that petition. Never mind hey, they will come as quickly as is possible to try to help you. They won't hold any prejudice because you didn't have 5 minutes spare to sign the petition.

An just for your information...ITS NOT ASKING FOR MONEY...JUST YOUR SUPPORT.

Gary L 12-02-2012 23:42

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Not many places you can land a helicopter around here.

Ok, I've signed it. and it's not because you made me feel guilty.

is there a petition we can sign to get a landing pad made outside my house now? :)

Tim Deegan 13-02-2012 01:11

Re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
Signed it, tweeted it, and posted it on both facebook accounts.

---------- Post added at 01:11 ---------- Previous post was at 00:36 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35380945)
Not many places you can land a helicopter around here.

Ok, I've signed it. and it's not because you made me feel guilty.

is there a petition we can sign to get a landing pad made outside my house now? :)

You would be amazed by some of the places they do land when they have to. On a number of occasions I've seen them land on public roads with bankings and trees on both sides.

These pictures shows one of the easier landings:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/30.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/31.jpg

http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/...er22008082.jpg

Tim Deegan 13-02-2012 10:44

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I think this thread needs a bump to get more people to sign the petition.

Kymmy 13-02-2012 12:16

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One of the forums I posted it on a member queried a local air ambulance as to the situation.. the response back was thus

Quote:

Dear #######



Thank you for your enquiry. Sadly we are not able to reclaim the VAT on fuel as we do not make VATable business supplies against which to offset our input tax. In 2010 we paid c £27,000 in non-recoverable VAT.



Best wishes



Heléna



Heléna Holt

Chief Executive

Devon Air Ambulance Trust


Tim Deegan 13-02-2012 12:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35381156)
One of the forums I posted it on a member queried a local air ambulance as to the situation.. the response back was thus

I presume that means that because they don't produce anything, or sell anything that they can charge VAT on, then they aren't allowed to be VAT registered. The VAT office doesn't like paying out more than they get in. :mad:

---------- Post added at 12:29 ---------- Previous post was at 12:25 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35380954)
Signed it, tweeted it, and posted it on both facebook accounts.

---------- Post added at 01:11 ---------- Previous post was at 00:36 ----------



You would be amazed by some of the places they do land when they have to. On a number of occasions I've seen them land on public roads with bankings and trees on both sides.

These pictures shows one of the easier landings:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/30.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/31.jpg

http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/...er22008082.jpg

On a funny note (off topic I know), but you will notice that the police officer in black has a gun on his leg. Well they sent the ARV because there were no paramedics close by. And the firearms officers are traind to paramedic level...in case they shoot someone!

danielf 13-02-2012 12:35

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It's a bloody disgrace that we have emergency services run as a charity at all.

joglynne 13-02-2012 13:14

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Signed.

Tim Deegan 13-02-2012 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35381176)
It's a bloody disgrace that we have emergency services run as a charity at all.

Absolutely. In fact there is a HART team (part of the ambulance service) that has been set up with paramedics trained to go into dangerous environments to treat casualties who are trapped. But they only have government funding until after the olympics. Then who knows what will happen to them.

Also the Hertfordshire air ambulance (the one in the photos), doesn't have enough funding to operate at weekends, so they have to borrow the one from Essex.

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I see that 362 people have now viewed this thread. I hope that they have all signed the petition. After all we may all need an air ambulance one day to save our lives. And a service paid for by charity will never have a guaranteed future.

At the incident in the photos, an innocent victim of a collision owes his life to the air ambulance crew. They carried out procedures that can normally only be carried out in hospital. That you be YOU!!!!

Tim Deegan 13-02-2012 15:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35381318)
Signed and verified. Just like the RNLI, you might just need them someday.

Very true.

Does anyone know if they pay VAT on fuel?

Kymmy 13-02-2012 15:34

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RNLI does not pay VAT on fuel and essential equipment. The fuel exemption has been in place since 1977

Tim Deegan 13-02-2012 15:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35381329)
RNLI does not pay VAT on fuel and essential equipment. The fuel exemption has been in place since 1977

So there is no reason why the air ambulances shouldn't get exemption also then?

richard1960 13-02-2012 15:44

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I have added my signature to this worthy petition.:)

Tim Deegan 13-02-2012 23:39

Re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
Sorry, but I have to keep bumpint this until they make it sticky :bump::bump::bump:

MovedGoalPosts 14-02-2012 15:16

Re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
There are many worthy causes and issues that individually we may choose to support highlight and promote. Unfortunately if we sticky a thread like this then there will soon be a clamour to sticky other similar issues. As we can't do that for all, and indeed overuse would negate the promotion, we can't elevate this thread. Indeed, sticky threads don't necesarily get more attention. The best way for that is simply to keep a thread active.

But you may wish to add to the promotion of the petition, perhaps using links in your forum signature?

Tim Deegan 14-02-2012 22:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 35381837)
There are many worthy causes and issues that individually we may choose to support highlight and promote. Unfortunately if we sticky a thread like this then there will soon be a clamour to sticky other similar issues. As we can't do that for all, and indeed overuse would negate the promotion, we can't elevate this thread. Indeed, sticky threads don't necesarily get more attention. The best way for that is simply to keep a thread active.

But you may wish to add to the promotion of the petition, perhaps using links in your forum signature?

Good thinking Rob, nice one :tu:

Tim Deegan 15-02-2012 12:41

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:bump::bump::bump:

Tim Deegan 18-02-2012 19:08

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:bump::bump: Sorry guys, but I just had to give this a weekend bump, to try and get more people to sign.

Kymmy 06-03-2012 10:42

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As Tim is lax in his duties might as well bump this thread with some good news about air ambulances and their blood carrying capabilities

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17232529

Tim Deegan 06-03-2012 11:49

Re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35393739)
As Tim is lax in his duties might as well bump this thread with some good news about air ambulances and their blood carrying capabilities

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17232529

Nice one Kymmy. :clap::clap::clap:

Kymmy 19-03-2012 15:03

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Only 14,502 signatures left to go before they have to at very least discuss whether it should go before parliament.

Quote:

Number of signatures:
85,498

Tim Deegan 20-03-2012 16:26

Re: Petition to reclaim VAT on Air Ambulance fuel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35402305)
Only 14,502 signatures left to go before they have to at very least discuss whether it should go before parliament.

I'll have to post the link to facebook again. If we all do this, then the pyramid effect should do the trick :)


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