2017 Formula 1 Season Thread
 

Starting as we are on the final race of the season for 2016. I will not be making any posts relating to Hamilton, other than where I need to include his name (ie in the list of drivers for the season).

DRIVERS

Ferrari: Sebastien Vettel (GER) & Kimi Raikkonen (FIN)
Force India: Sergio Perez (MEX) & Esteban Ocon (FRA)
Haas: Romain Grosjean (FRA) & Kevin Magnussen (DEN)
McLaren: Fernando Alonso (ESP) & Stoffel Vandoorne(BEL)
Mercedes: Nico Rosberg (GER) & Lewis Hamilton (GBR)
Manor: TBA & TBA
Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo (AUS) & Max Verstappen (NED)
Renault: Nico Hulkenberg (GER) & Jolyon Palmer (GBR)
Sauber: Marcus Ericsson (SWE) & TBA
Toro Rosso: Danill Kvyat (RUS) & Carlos Sainz Jr. (ESP)
Williams: Valtteri Bottas (FIN) & Lance Stroll (CAN)

CHANGES

Magnussen moved from Renault to Haas, leaving Esteban Gutierrez without a seat
Massa retires from the sport, replaced by Lance Stroll of Canada, winner of the 2016 Formula 3 Championship
Ocon moves to Manor replacing Hulkenberg, who moved to Renault
Vandoorne will replace Jenson Button, who retired after the 2016 season

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PROVISIONAL CALENDAR

26 March: Australian GP, Melbourne
9 April: Chinese GP, Shanghai
16 April: Bahrain GP, Sakhir
30 April: Russian GP, Sochi
14 May: Spanish GP, Barcelona
28 May: Monaco GP, Monte Carlo
11 June: Canadian GP, Montreal
18 June: European GP, Baku
2 July: Austrian GP, Spielberg
9 July: British GP, Silverstone
23 July: Hungarian GP, Budapest
30 July: German GP, Hockenheim
27 August: Belgian GP, Spa
3 September: Italian GP, Monza
17 September: Malaysian GP, Kuala Lumpur
1 October: Singapore GP, Marina Bay
8 October: Japanese GP, Suzuka
22 October: American GP, Austin
5 November: Mexican GP, Mexico City
12 November: Brazilian GP, Sao Paulo
26 November: Abu Dhabi GP, Abu Dhabi

Canada, Germany and Brazil yet to be confirmed. At the moment it is a 21 race season like 2016.

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Manor may not make the grid for 2017, for financial reasons.

http://news.sky.com/story/manor-f1-t...s-out-10719424

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Sad news. BBC link for those who don't want to use SKY.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38530855

Also, Silverstone considering pulling out of hosting the British GP after the 2019 race because of 'crippling costs'. Apparently in 2015, the race weekend made a loss of £2 million.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38526002

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An F1 team going under? Completely rare occurrence. Something needs to change though. On the less sympathetic side of things. Why are people continuously allowed to enter the sport with back marker teams that evidently can't cover the cost of being such a team. I get that they've got a vision and it'll happen in the future but they clearly underestimate the true cost vs waiting for that.

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Well if The poison dwarf didn't take so much thing might be better.

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Back when there were two "minnows", you could judge them against each other, in a race of their own like the days of the Turbo vs. non-Turbo cars.

Is there a future for any team that isn't*sponsor named?

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Bottas officially replaces Rosberg and Massa comes out of retirement to replace Bottas at Williams.

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http://bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38489054

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Hopefully Aston Martin rumours will be true.

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What I find ludicrous about this is that track has to PAY the organiser, in any other sport or music concert, the organiser has to HIRE the venue.

If every circuit told F1 to basically do one, let's see them hold a championship with nowhere to race. :D

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Has Bernie finally left the building? :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38723001

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Well we won't see the commentators running over to Bernie and sucking up to him :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38723001

BYE BYE Bernie

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Manor to fold after no buyer found.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38772098

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The first post needs a good update based on the driver's confirmed over last few weeks.

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DRIVERS

Ferrari: Sebastien Vettel (GER) & Kimi Raikkonen (FIN)
Force India: Sergio Perez (MEX) & Esteban Ocon (FRA)
Haas: Romain Grosjean (FRA) & Kevin Magnussen (DEN)
McLaren: Stoffel Vandoorne (BEL) & Fernando Alonso (ESP)
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton (GBR) & Valtteri Bottas (FIN)
Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo (AUS) & Max Verstappen (NED)
Renault: Nico Hulkenberg (GER) & Jolyon Palmer (GBR)
Sauber: Marcus Ericsson (SWE) & Pascal Wehrlein (GER)
Toro Rosso: Daniil Kvyat (RUS) & Carlos Sainz Jr. (ESP)
Williams: Lance Stroll (CAN) & Felipe Massa (BRA)

TEAM CHANGES

Manor went into adminstration and folded on January 27 2017
Sauber using 1 year old Ferrari power units in the 2017 season
Toro Rosso back to using Renault power units

DRIVER CHANGES

Magnussen left Renault and moved to Haas. Gutierrez left Haas and has since moved to the Formula E championship.
Ocon left Manor to join Force India to replace Hulkenberg who moved to Renault.
Rosberg retired after winning the championship, Bottas released by Williams to sign for Mercedes. Massa, originally retiring at the end of 2016, has signed an extension to drive for Williams and will be joined by Lance Stroll, making his F1 debut. Stroll was originally intended to be replacement driver for Massa.
Vandoorne replaces Button as driver, who retired after the 2016 season.
Wehrlein moved from Manor to Sauber.

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Some car designs are starting to make an appearance.

Sauber C36

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1487594746

Williams F40

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1487594746

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And now Renault.

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Force India 2017.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1487791008

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They all have that similar fin at the back of the cockpit this year.

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2 more teams unveil their cars.

McLaren 2017

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1487952265

Ferrari 2017

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1487952575

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McLaren are slowly but surely falling apart gradually as each year passes.

Mercedes are once again a step ahead. The advantage of being way out in front of the switch when it occurred. Everyone may have caught up with the 2016 Merc but the 2017 is again a step ahead of that.

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Yes it is not looking very good for McLaren again, i was hoping there would be a huge improvement.

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When the dust settles and the rules change for the better, Hamilton will return home to McLaren, it's inevitable, only then can I see McLaren getting out of this mess they're in, back to the silver livery too I hope. People hate the guy, although it's common to hate the guy that wins apparently. But by god he can drive a car, this lad can drag cars way above their expected finishing position and was single handedly keeping McLaren relevant just before he left.

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I would respond to that, but I did promise I wouldn't say anything negative about Hamilton this season.

Sad to see McLaren going backwards not forwards. Again this season, I will be cheering on ABM (Anyone But Mercedes) as one team dominating just gets boring as Hell after a while. I said it when Ferrari dominated, I said it when Red Bull dominated.

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With the Honda engine, it would need more than Hamilton back at McLaren, it really needed another team to be running it, maybe one of the minnows (oops, there aren't any left now). When McLaren were tops, they had the Mercedes engine, and since the season changes don't seem to be much to do with engines, it's likely the Mercedes is still going to be the one to beat.

Renault have also been disappointing, especially compared to Red Bull with the Tag Heuer branded Renault engine (after they couldn't find an alternative engine supplier when wanting to move from Renault.

And of course, poor old Sauber, with the minnows gone, the pressure is now on them.

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I think McLaren may be even worse than last year based on the tests so far. Ferrari seem very very strong according to Hamilton.

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Very sad news just breaking of a true legend who has passed away.:(

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...s-dies-aged-83

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Based on what we have seen in testing, i would say Ferrari are a genuine threat to Mercedes dominance which is a very good thing in my opinion, we could do with a few more strong teams to spice things up even more though! Roll on the Australia on March 26rd, lets get this season rolling!

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Almost betting Mercedes were sandbagging the car.

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Good result in qualifying for Lewis, and it is nice to see the Ferrari's so close, could make for a less boring season!

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That's all I want this season, if Hamilton has to win could it at least be competitive and not a complete whitewash.

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Had hoped that with the Owners of Virginmedia controlling things, we might have got coverage without needing Sky Sports.

Doesn't look like there's even highlights or replay on BBC, other than on 5 Live (yeah, about as good as live snooker on the radio)

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Stuck in a TV rights contract i guess.

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The free F1 coverage is now on Channel 4. They showed highlight of the Australian GP. Not sure if they are showing any live broadcasts this season but they did last season.

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http://www.channel4.com/info/press/n...d-championship

!0 GP's

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I heard live darts on the radio once, both dull and odd in equal measure

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At least there is something FTA for those F1 fans out there for the moment.

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Jenson Button to replace Fernando Alonso at the Monaco Grand Prix when Alonso will go and race in the Indianapolis 500.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/39599645

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l did not expect that.:shocked:

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Looks like we are going to see a real battle between Ferrari and Mercedes this season.

As for McLaren, and the 3rd year of the Honda engine, well Alonso said it "never had less power".
The first season, teething troubles were to be expected, but it's getting beyond a joke when it has neither power nor reliability.

The Honda engine is in one team only, with no works team.
Mercedes are the best team running Mercedes engines
Ferrari are the best team running Ferrari
Red Bull (under the re-brand as Tag Heur) are the best team with Renault (the Renault team being last other than the 0 pointers)

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I agree, it looks like Honda will be supplying Sauber in future too though so that must have got Sauber a good deal.

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Not strictly F1 but news not so long ago that the F4 driver that had a horrific crash at the weekend has sadly been left with life changing injuries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-39647622

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Confirmed, Honda to power the Sauber team from 2018.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...from-2018.html

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Rotten from McLaren, absolutely dire. Hamilton's car is failing, Daniel Ricciardo out, gets worse to watch every week.

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Seriously wondering if Alonso will be at McLaren by end of the season. He's not happy with the car, as he shouldn't be. At a minimum, McLaren must be getting points each race. They are diabolical. It's almost as if they have no desire any more.

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I can't see him sticking out this season let alone signing for 2018, it isn't really McLarens fault as they're in contract with Honda for engine supply, however i expect them to have a different supplier for next season unless things drastically improve although they would need to find a away out of this Honda contract which runs until 2024.

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I get that, but McLaren should be demanding more from Honda. I don't know, maybe I see everything in black and white terms when there are shades of grey to be seen. But I think it would be a shame if he left the sport like this. Surely a move to another team might be best for him? Maybe Force India or Sauber.

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Don't think he would go to Sauber, seeing they will be using the same Honda engine from 2018. :D

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So Sauber go from last year's Ferrari to Honda .... it's going to be so much better :LOL:

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Sauber have just announced they be using McLaren gear boxes in 2018 also.

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Wow! Alonso in the McLaren Honda made "best of the rest" in qualifying - have they sneaked a different engine in there?

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Not bad for a Honda, dont think he will do more than 20 laps though before it goes tits up!

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Nice to hear that Lewis is back to form.

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And some points for Sauber, now only McLaren are pointless... all went wrong at the start for Alonso ... maybe JB can bring them some luck

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Well that was a boring race, shame Lewis had a bad weekend!

As for the Indy500 very dramatic with all the crashes and with Alonso leading for a fair way!

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I spoke too soon!

Alonso out of the Indy 500 due to.............. yes you guessed it a Honda engine failure! :rofl:

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It certainly was a very boring race.

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A circuit with no overtaking spots, not sure if there were any DRS zones, but completely useless if there were

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I believe, and this is only from playing the F1 game on the xBox One, there is one DRS zone and it is along the pit straight.

Funny how now Ferrari have cottoned onto the Mercedes design and are putting their spin on it, they are cheating. Yet Mercedes never cheated when they were dominating? (Not saying they were, but if now Ferrari are winning and are being called cheats, why wasn't the same accusation leveled at Mercedes, Red Bull, McLaren etc when THEY were the dominant teams?)

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I believe they should remove the Monaco from the F1 race circuits and replace it with another circuit that would allow over taking.

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Monaco is the worst track of the calendar, I dont bother watching it

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Its there because of money sadly.

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Lewis has just equalled Ayrton Senna's 65 poles.

The Senna family has just given him one of Senna's actual race helmets, he was shaking.

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Fantastic moment, what a great gesture.

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If you want to see the special moment

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...lmet-in-canada

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Ferrari driver Sebastian Vettel could face further punishment for his collision with Mercedes' Lewis Hamilton at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.


Governing body the FIA is to hold a meeting on 3 July to "further examine the causes of the incident to evaluate whether further action is necessary".



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40431244

Hopefully it will be a ban.

Lewis has been proven 100% NOT to blame.

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No further action to be taken against Sebastian Vettel.

Personally i think it is a load of bollocks!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40488056

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Ferrari International Assistance to the rescue again.

Well if we lose the British GP I'll stop watching now.

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Have to goad Seb into losing his cool at the next race

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A pathetic decision as Vettel knew exactly what he was doing...

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Well looks like 2019 will be mine a the Britsh GP last season.

No British GP, I'll not bother.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40518666

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Hamilton given 5 place grid penalty for an unauthorised gearbox change, he finished 3rd but will start from 8th in Austria.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40535533

And according to the gossip columns, Mercedes looking to ditch Bottas at the end of the season and replace him with some unknown Spanish driver called Fernando Alonso. Oh no, wait, they drove together at McLaren. If that move DOES happen, then the real fight won't be between Mercedes and another team, it will be who is more aggressive out of Fernando and Lewis.

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2019 last British GP, after the owners announce they will be activating their break clause in 2019.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40566434

Any other tracks well equipped to handle the GP?

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No l don't think so but alas l am no expert in the field of motor racing.

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Looks like they may be hoping for a renegotiation.

Only other circuit that comes to mind is Brands Hatch, which hosted F1 some time back, but may well need significant alterations for the modern era.

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There's no track capable of bringing F1 there without significant losses via needed alterations, none of which could afford it and that's without noting they can't make a profit on the race itself.

At the current cost the British GP can't be hosted anywhere without a different funding source. Governments and Arab businessmen are throwing their money at other track hosts. Silverstone any other track in the UK has no such luxury.

I have to back Silverstone on the decision. You can't keep hosting a race in which you're doing deeper into the red as the contract rolls on.

If Liberty Global want F1 to descend to the same levels of FIFA then let them. Baku is a horrible track, an opinion not just confined to myself but money talks. If Silverstone can't get a profitable plan from a renegotiation then it'll just continue F1's trend towards the big dollar, something that's been annoying me since Sky were allowed to purchase up the TV rights despite Channel 4 being in the running.

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A Formula One season without a British GP would be a crying shame IMO.

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Sky Sports F1's Martin Brundle taken to the medical centre after falling ill at the British GP.

in the 2016 Monaco GP he had a heart attack.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/mot...amilton-Vettel

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Vettel gets a puncture on the penultimate lap.




The 20 point gap is now 1 point :D

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Let's hope Martin is alright.

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Halo cockpit protection in 2018.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...-for-2018.html

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Another link to this, i really didn't expect them to go with the Halo.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40663158

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Would it deflect breakdowns if attached to a Honda engine though? :confused:

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Lewis Hamilton wins at Monza to take the lead for the first time in the 2017 World Championship.

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:cleader::cleader::cleader:

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They seen to be questioning if DRS will remain in later seasons, but even with it, some tracks are very difficult to overtake on.

Even if the track was made wider, there will still be ONE racing line, and the treacherous marbles off the line - maybe pressure to develop non-shedding tyres would be a solution

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Mclaren agrees deal to split with Honda for 2018.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...da-for-renault

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No surprise there Snoop.

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Bottas secures 2018 seat with Mercedes.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/b...r-2018-952398/

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This is getting interesting if this report is true.

Renault have told Red bull they don't wish to supply them with engines after 2018, this means they may endup using Honda as their engine supplier.

http://bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/41265779

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The story I read this morning on Mail thinks that with Toro Rosso being supplied by Honda from 2018 that Red Bull will be using them too. However, with Honda being so useless for McLaren what makes Red Bull think they will be any better than Renault engines?

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Singapore GP


Carnage at the start!


Off the start, the Ferraris of Kimi Raikkonen and Sebastian Vettel sandwiched the Red Bull of Max Verstappen and all three make contact.

The fast-starting Raikkonen hit Verstappen and speared sideways into his team-mate.
Raikkonen then continued in a damaged car and collected Verstappen again at Turn One. They then collect Fernando Alonso in the secondary collision.

All three men are out. Safety car is out


Ferrari are blaming Vertapeen :D

That like not blaming a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo

Oh and Lewis wins, and has a 28 point lead.

Vettel and Rikkonen to blame, even if you're blind you can see that.

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Yippeeeeeeeeeee.:cleader::cleader::cleader:

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Awesome result for Lewis, and yes it looks like Ferrari are to blame for sandwiching in Max leaving him no room, at least that is what the press have been saying.

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It's a (insert unlimited expletives) joke

Ferrari Internation Assitance to the rescue again.

FIA needs to be replaced with a non Biased group!!!!!

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/241...ppen-collision

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I thought that would be the outcome, if they had punished Vet then it would have handed Lewis the title and the FIA want the final race to be close.

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That's nonsense. Any racing fan should know it was just a series of unfortunate events. It was always going to be a racing incident.

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Reminded me of the classic first corner incidents, where you used to get the red flag and the dash for the spare car .... those were the days!

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true story!

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Red Bull will be known as Aston Martin Red Bull Racing in 2018 as they take on a major partnership which will see the creation of 110 jobs.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...nsor-2018.html

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Nice to that great name appear again.

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I would like to see the livery for the whole car change to reflect Aston Martin, not just the wings logo on the front as we have now.

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Hamilton takes pole as vettel crashes out and starts from the back of the grid!