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Alan Fry 13-01-2012 11:33
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35360895)
Today's 11.43 from London to Birmingham stops at Milton Keynes and Coventry and takes 1hour 25 m.

According to Wikipedia, HS2 should reduce travel time from 1hour 12 minutes to 49 minutes. So that means 1 hour 12 minutes is without stops, and 2 stops take about 13 minutes.
Remember though that HS2 will be going at 186-250 mph compaired to 100-125mph on the WCML!

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35360853)
And each station would add 5-10 minutes, thus, as previously stated, defeating the "high-speed" aspect....
Adding stops would allow more people to benefit!

Chrysalis 13-01-2012 11:36
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So why not have alternating trains one stops and the next one doesnt.

For the price the government is paying they should be aiming to benefit as many people as possible. Instead they going for maximum impact to headline times.

Alan Fry 13-01-2012 11:42
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35360916)
So why not have alternating trains one stops and the next one doesnt.

For the price the government is paying they should be aiming to benefit as many people as possible. Instead they going for maximum impact to headline times.
I would agree with that!

Hugh 13-01-2012 11:56
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35360916)
So why not have alternating trains one stops and the next one doesnt.

For the price the government is paying they should be aiming to benefit as many people as possible. Instead they going for maximum impact to headline times.
Perhaps because there are already trains on existing lines that stop, and can still be used?

Surely if defeats the point of a high-speed train if it has to keep slowing down, stopping, and then getting back up to speed again? We don't see that happening on the HS1, TGV, et al. That's like saying I want to catch a fast flight to New York from London, but it should stop in Manchester and Glasgow first, imho.

martyh 13-01-2012 11:58
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35360916)
So why not have alternating trains one stops and the next one doesnt.

For the price the government is paying they should be aiming to benefit as many people as possible. Instead they going for maximum impact to headline times.
Pointless having a HS line that stops too often ,it just doesn't make any sense and would add too much to the bill .Bus companies have express services between A-B they don't stop at every bus stop that's what the normal bus is for the same applies to trains

Alan Fry 13-01-2012 12:05
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35360947)
Pointless having a HS line that stops too often ,it just doesn't make any sense and would add too much to the bill .Bus companies have express services between A-B they don't stop at every bus stop that's what the normal bus is for the same applies to trains
I am only suggesting 1 or 2 stops between London and Birmingham and 1 or 2 on each of the branch lines to Leeds (in future maybe Edinburgh) and Manchester (in future maybe Glasgow)

Chrysalis 13-01-2012 12:06
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35360941)
Perhaps because there are already trains on existing lines that stop, and can still be used?

Surely if defeats the point of a high-speed train if it has to keep slowing down, stopping, and then getting back up to speed again? We don't see that happening on the HS1, TGV, et al. That's like saying I want to catch a fast flight to New York from London, but it should stop in Manchester and Glasgow first, imho.
its also pointless if hardly anyone can use it.

martyh 13-01-2012 13:09
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35360961)
I am only suggesting 1 or 2 stops between London and Birmingham and 1 or 2 on each of the branch lines to Leeds (in future maybe Edinburgh) and Manchester (in future maybe Glasgow)
and that makes a HS speed line not a high speed line ,how is that so hard to understand ?

danielf 13-01-2012 13:11
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35360961)
I am only suggesting 1 or 2 stops between London and Birmingham and 1 or 2 on each of the branch lines to Leeds (in future maybe Edinburgh) and Manchester (in future maybe Glasgow)
You'll be suggesting multiple airports around London next...

martyh 13-01-2012 13:13
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35361040)
You'll be suggesting multiple airports around London next...
with one giant one in the middle :D

danielf 13-01-2012 13:13
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35361043)
with one giant one in the middle :D
Where London used to be :D

martyh 13-01-2012 13:15
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35361044)
Where London used to be :D

ssshhh don't give him ideas ;)

Alan Fry 13-01-2012 13:18
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35361037)
and that makes a HS speed line not a high speed line ,how is that so hard to understand ?
A high speed line is definded as a line faster than 125 mph, this one goes up to 250 mph

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail

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I am suggesting 1 airport for london to replace the 5 main London Airports (Luton, Gatwick, Heathrow, Stansted and Southend)

danielf 13-01-2012 13:19
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35361052)
A high speed line is definded as a line faster than 125 mph, this one goes up to 250 mph

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail[COLOR="Silver"]
Which means it'll take a lot longer to slow down/get up to speed, thus making it more important to have few stops.

Alan Fry 13-01-2012 13:23
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35361061)
Which means it'll take a lot longer to slow down/get up to speed, thus making it more important to have few stops.
The less stops there are, the less people benifit!


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