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Well so little has been a long time coming and rumours about large scale revolts abound but I see unilateralist 'white van woman' has been promoted to Shadow Defence Secretary. I guess this must be his 'new politics' in action but to anyone who grew up in the 1970's it's all very samey... |
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They apparently had a phonecall from Sir John Chilcot asking them to hurry up and announce the reshuffle.....
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So much for a night of the long knives. More like a failed attempt with a fruit peeler.
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I've never heard of any of these shadow ministers that have resigned.They seem to have forgot what a massive mandate Corbyn has, and don't accept democracy. Hopefully they'll be deselected as they're representing nobody except themselves.
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And given that one of Ed's many dubious actions as leader of the Labour Party was to open the leadership election to any idiot with £3 to spare, I don't think anyone who follows politics in any way at all, is taken in by all that "massive mandate" guff. Corbyn was elected by soap dodging Trots and gleeful Tory infiltrators, all of whom taken together account for a minuscule proportion of the electorate he will ask to support him in 2020. If he is still in charge at the next election, it will be a bloodbath. |
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You can't reason with them either. Everything is a media conspiracy against them. It's like talking to the SNP supporters again.
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"Massive mandate" = <3% of Labour voters... |
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Could mention that the Tories got less than 1 in 4 of the electorate's vote at the General Election, but won't do that or we'll spinning stats all night ;) |
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A credible party leader has got to look like a potential prime minister. It makes no difference how dazzled are those of a certain political outlook, if he is not similarly impressive in the eyes of those from Labour's wider pool of potential support, then they are sunk. The MPs who resigned today are the only ones, it seems, who are prepared to stand up and declare what everyone outside of the Labour Left already knows to be true. |
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An Labour got even less than the Torries , so when you put it like that Corbyns mandate is extremely weak in terms of the conutry as a whole. Weaker than the Torries mandate. |
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*That would be 25% |
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I kinda did a WTf when a 1 in 37 was compared to a 1 in 4, that really is a bit desperate.
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I love statistics , you can do and prove anything you want with them ;) |
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Cameron does have a mandate - he won the 2015 General Election with nearly 11 million votes. ;)
Corbyn's "massive mandate" (according to you) is less than 1/40th of that... And in a pre-emptive rebuttal to "but Corbyn wasn't in charge then", here are the end of 2015 poll results for Jezza. http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/ Quote:
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How is 36.7% less than 1 in 4 voters?
Sad state of your arithmetic, really... Jezza got a massive mandate from a small pool of voters, Cameron got a mandate from the voting population of the UK - not statistics, facts... |
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Whiffle & piffle all you like, reality is that while Corby is in power you've got more chance of seeing God than Labour getting into power, but hey let's wait until 2020 and see (if he's still the leader by then)
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But not everyone voted. If only 50% voted that means the Tories would have 46% of the voters who bothered.
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But in the real world, Cameron won... btw, you may find this of interest. http://ukgeneralelection2020.blogspo....html?spref=fb Quote:
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There is no kerfuffle about this reshuffle except the kerfuffle that exists in media fantasies.
The media think they can decide the timetable of this kind of decision making. If JC had done the reshuffle in an instant it would have been touted as 'revenge sacking'. Because he took time to think, consult and be balanced he is accused of being dithering and confused. The media, including, I am afraid to say, The Guardian, are still utterly confused by JC's brand of democracy. They won't rest until they get rid of him and can say, "It is us wot dun it." As for the resigning shadow ministers: They clearly have not got over JC winning the leadership election with a ground swell of public opinion. Why do they remind me of the GOP and their attitude to Obama? They are only democratic when it suits them. |
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There was no "ground swell of public opinion" behind the election of Jeremy Corbyn. As has been repeatedly posted in this thread today, those that elected him amount to less than 3% of the British electorate. This massive, collective self-deception amongst the Corbynistas over how popular (or otherwise) he really is, is really going to sting come the 2020 election. |
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Why make it more complicated than it is, he IS an unelectable idiot, but don't take my word for it, lets wait another 4 years and see it happen.
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Gradually, sticking to his matter-of-fact non-hysterical style and his decency, he is winning ordinary people over, despite the massive misrepresentation, which you have clearly fallen victim to. You could be right about 2020, but not for the reasons you give. The media and the right will stop at nothing to discredit JC and his policies. The last thing they want to return to is a mixed economy and the use of investment to promote growth. Austerity has been their main tool for shrinking the state, not for rescuing the economy. They know full well, and this is the big lie, that high immigration has rescued the economy. The rhetoric has been to cut immigration, but the policy has been to maintain it. This is the lie that helped them beat Miliband and which they will use in the run up to 2020. |
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I find it amusing that the Corbyn supporters say the sacked Shadow Cabinet members deserve what happened because they were disloyal to Jeremy Corbyn (the man who voted against the Labour Leadership over 500 times).
Obviously irony is not their strong point... |
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I like him and might well change the habit of a lifetime and vote Labour because of him. |
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Kerfulle defn. - a commotion or fuss, especially one caused by conflicting views.
There's no kerfuffle within the Labour party regarding the reshuffle?? :rofl: Course not... :rolleyes: |
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And there is of course no 'kerfuffle' in the Tory party over Europe ;) Interesting word 'kerfuffle', Scottish origin.... http://www.word-detective.com/2009/04/kerfuffle/ ' |
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In the real world, the impact Jeremy Corbyn is having even amongst those who voted Labour last May (and remember, there weren't even enough of them to win the election), is laid bare in approval polling by Yougov, discussed here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...my-Corbyn.html Cameron's net approval amongst those who voted Tory in May is around double Corbyn's, in percentage point terms. And Cameron, unlike Labour, secured sufficient votes to win that election. It does not take a genius to work out the trajectory Labour is now on, and will remain on unless something pretty fundamental changes between now and the next election (fundamental being, for example, Labour ditching Corbyn for a leader with appeal to the nation, as opposed to the hard-left insurgency that has been infiltrating the party over the last 6 months). |
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Corbynites are nuts. At the moment they're outraged because the BBC managed to get one of the MPs to resign on the Daily Politics, it appears Kuenssberg heard of his impending resignation and got him to do it on their show.
This is normal considered a 'scoop' but actually it's a gross injustice from the BBC it seems. The BBC is now conspiring with the right-wing Labourites to damage Corbyn and so his loyal army has mobilized and done what they do best. A change.org petition: https://www.change.org/p/bbc-we-dema...berg-be-sacked |
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Aye right ... because the BBC would in no way have pulled exactly the same stunt had it been a Tory MP.
The odd thing is, from here in Scotlandshire the behaviour of the Corbynites looks like it's exhibiting much of the same fevered paranoia and baseless triumphalism of the 2014 Yessers. The lesson from history is that it will all end in tears. http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1452258913 |
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*where the definition of establishment is 'anyone who disagrees with me' |
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I guess it's the way you tell 'em. The picture varies with the political colour of the source. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...labour-7003261 |
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It's rather like the student morons who routinely berate nasty Tories but think nothing of going around defacing war memorials, smashing up buildings, burning cars etc. when they can't get their way. :spin: :nutter: |
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Frankly, whether he was more or less popular than Ed Miliband on an arbitrary date at the beginning of last December is completely irrelevant. The direction of travel should send shivers down the spine of anyone who seriously wants to see a Labour government in 2020 (or bring tears of joy to those, like me, who do not). |
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Wow! What an achievement! What's next - more popular than Peter Sutcliffe? ;) Quote:
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This is getting more common as far as I can see. Across the political spectrum. Cult like following of their political ideology. |
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Is that Russell Brand's brother? :D
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Funny you should say that...
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The statistics are quite clear. Regardless of what you think of the British public, it is clear the British public doesn't think much of Jeremy Corbyn. No amount of railing against people and telling them they are out of touch is going to change that fact. You just make yourself sound like a beardy old Trot foaming on about false consciousness. |
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How nice of Corbyn's cronies and desperate supporters to tell the public and everyone else who disagrees that they're out of touch. Cameron's success was managed by Lynton Crosby and it seems Corbyn's employed Comical Ali... :D
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I regard it a bit like this board, lots of people say nothing and either watch or ignore not interested (like a vast swathe of the populace) then you get a reasonably high number of posters who comment if not pro Conservative , then at least anti-Labour/left/far lefty
THEN You get a dribble of posters who plaintively try and make their voices heard too, except that their message is so out there, they're not really taken seriously, undeterred they'll resort to more and more wibbly logic to promote their beliefs. Generally to limited or zero effect. I don't feel this board is that far off a reflection of the bigger picture that is this country's electorate. Just saying... |
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Osem, Banana et al,
I am the first to accept that Corbyn has an uphill struggle against the joint campaign of the Tories, the Tory press, the Labour right and establishment Liberals. The astonishing thing Corbyn is still in a better than expected position in terms of popularity. Despite the lies, the misrepresentation and the back stabbing of those who oppose him, his personal style and high principles impress even those who are not his natural followers. JC should keep on his current tack, put greenhorn errors behind him and continue to stick to policy debate rather than yahboo politics. Unlike most politicians he is a grown up with the welfare of people at his heart. I truly hope that will give him the edge as time moves on. |
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I had a targeted visit by a new Labour member earlier today. He knew my name, the make up of the household, and the fact that I was ex-military and an ex-civil servant!
He wanted to know if Corbyn as leader was going to put me off voting for Labour. I told him that any Labour leader would put me off voting Labour. "So you're a Conservative voter?" he asked. "Not a chance" I replied. "But it's a 2 horse race in Wales, and you don't want to waste your vote!" I told him that it's not a 2 horse race at all, and support is draining from the old nags at every election. He left muttering under his breath... in Welsh! |
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Nothing astonishing about it, he's in no position to do much more than fight with various parts of his own party, the next GE is sufficiently far enough away that no one really gives a toss what he can or can't do. At this point in time he's no more than light entertainment for everyone but labour luvvies, and half of those hate him.
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A 10.6% victory margin seems quite a bit more than 'scraping home'.
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I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with anything anyway. |
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The reason jezza, Farage and boris are popular is because they're open, they're happy to answer question or in bozos case admit readily he doesn't know. They're not little clones of each other, it's getting so it's almost impossible to tell which party one politician represents from another unless they're wearing a rosette and if parties behave to same and have the same policies then what's the point of voting for them at all, it's only going to end up with more of the same. 4 million people voted for the kippers and they got one mp, what's been done to ensure that doesn't happen again and their voice is heard, nothing. The snp got marginally more than the greens to become the third largest party in Westminster to incidentally and no one says a word about reform. Perhaps people might bare this in mind next time moves are a foot to force people to vote. ---------- Post added at 22:03 ---------- Previous post was at 22:02 ---------- Quote:
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I have to agree with Daddy, maybe it is time for the two party system to go (although as we've already had a taste) coalitions seem to spend more time blocking/playing games with each other to score internal points. It's a nonsense that given voting numbers for say UKIP in this instance, they get pretty much zero to show for that. I don't agree however, about disarming nukes, and whilst there's a US involvement (we ARE part of NATO too you know) , the important bit (pushing the button) is entirely sovereign and down to us.
I'd sooner chew my own arms off than agree with Corbys traitorous view regarding terrorists/military related matters |
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Pathetic or the views of a concerned voter. I think this man could be the most dangerous person ever to lead this country, if he somehow got into power. You may be envious of rich people but watch them leave along with business relocations if that moron was running the country. How would he manage things then, with the country bankrupt |
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Strange language from a Labour MP who supports Corbyn about his neighbouring MP who resigned.
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All too! Nasty bile filled people.
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There's no kerfuffle here... :rolleyes:
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Theses are not the kerfuffles you're looking for...
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The wrong sort of kerfuffle? :confused: ;)
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Somebody seems to have their head screwed on round the right way. |
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Then they have a lot in common with many of the politicians in the House of Commons then who say one thing and then do exactly the opposite.....
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He'll be suggesting the RAF flies planes without bombs/missiles next... :nutter: ---------- Post added at 16:34 ---------- Previous post was at 16:31 ---------- Quote:
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They could launch rocket propelled sternly worded letters.
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Or white flags of surrender maybe. When Corbyn's removed as party leader, I'm sure he could have a lucrative future ahead of him in Eurolalaland. They appreciate stupid ideas after all... |
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Judging from the deafening silence emanating from our lefty leaning friends, it may just be possible that even the hardened left are realising that he's made the Labour party unelectable while he's in power. I don't think Labour have a mechanism to remove him either if he doesn't step down. This may mean that they need to give up 2020 before a new character can be put into place.
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Well, I like him (!) He's honest and hasn't changed his views or image to win votes. It may well be that he is 'unelectable' at the moment - but the next election is a long time away and a lot can happen. He's providing an opposition; the right of the labour party is only offering a Tory 'lite' agenda - what's the point ? - it denies people a choice.
Cameron/Clegg/Blair - you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference if you didn't know which party they were from. With Corbyn, you know you've got a difference and a choice. He'll be there to pick up the pieces when the Tory party inevitably presses the the self destruct button (it'll have the word 'Europe' on it, again !). |
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I've had a better idea. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/01/24.png |
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