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Media Boy UK 16-05-2017 18:10

TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
ITV could disappear from Virgin Media unless a £40 million disagreement is resolved

http://uk.businessinsider.com/itv-co...17-5?r=US&IR=T

Quote:

ITV will now negotiate new terms with Virgin Media. Virgin does currently pay for ITV's smaller sister channels, including ITV2 and ITVBe, but a source close to the talks said this deal expires in September. It paves the way for ITV to strike a new agreement, under which it will demand payment for its flagship station.

A source close to ITV and Virgin's talks did not guide us away from this figure.

denphone 16-05-2017 18:14

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
More sabre rattling one suspects from ITV.

Mad Max 16-05-2017 18:15

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
If this happens then Virgin will lose a lot of customers!

denphone 16-05-2017 18:36

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35899079)
If this happens then Virgin will lose a lot of customers!

It won't happen...

Paul 16-05-2017 18:51

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
I thought the main channels (BBC1, BBC2 & ITV) had to be provided free ?

It would also be very short sighted of ITV to cut themselves off from viewers (advertisers would not be happy).

Taf 16-05-2017 19:26

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
I can't think of the last time I watched an ITV programme?

Sirius 16-05-2017 19:32

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35899085)
I can't think of the last time I watched an ITV programme?

Same here

alwaysabear 16-05-2017 20:08

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
There will still be freeview no big deal for me!

RichardCoulter 16-05-2017 20:15

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
LG could decide to simply buy more shares in ITV to make the issue go away!

At least they would be getting something for their money.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35899084)
I thought the main channels (BBC1, BBC2 & ITV) had to be provided free ?

It would also be very short sighted of ITV to cut themselves off from viewers (advertisers would not be happy).

The Digital Economy Bill due to be passed after the General Election will allow ITV to charge retransmission fees.

When it was pointed out that cable companies had a 'must carry' obligation towards the PSB channels, the Government said that they "didn't expect" this to happen with regards to traditional cable television companies.

ITV seem to have other ideas...

Interestingly, they must broadcast FTA on both Freeview and Freesat, so by definition they can't encrypt on Sky either.

They both need each other, so I agree with others when they say that this is unlikely to happen.

Media Boy UK 16-05-2017 21:18

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35899093)
ITV seem to have other ideas...

Interestingly, they must broadcast FTA on both Freeview and Freesat, so by definition they can't encrypt on Sky either.

They both need each other, so I agree with others when they say that this is unlikely to happen.

Base on that link I posted on post one we now know when we may see ITV Encore Channels on Virgin Media UK.

muppetman11 16-05-2017 21:24

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
So the PSB's want retransmission fees off the pay TV platforms whilst enjoying EPG prominence on these platforms. Seems a little unfair to me.

Raider999 16-05-2017 22:29

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35899084)
I thought the main channels (BBC1, BBC2 & ITV) had to be provided free ?

It would also be very short sighted of ITV to cut themselves off from viewers (advertisers would not be happy).

I cannot remember the last time I watched an advert - my tv viewing is at least 95% time-shifted so I use the FF button to skip them.

Paul 16-05-2017 22:53

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Personally none of my programmes have adverts in them, since they all come from the USA ;)

However, some people still watch them, so advertisers would not be happy.

nodrogd 16-05-2017 23:04

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35899103)
So the PSB's want retransmission fees off the pay TV platforms whilst enjoying EPG prominence on these platforms. Seems a little unfair to me.

They want to charge fees to the pay platforms, yet the pay platforms cannot encrypt the channels to their customers to pass the cost on. Yet aonther crazy idea from the pen pushers out there with nothing better to do.

OLD BOY 17-05-2017 08:01

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35899102)
Base on that link I posted on post one we now know when we may see ITV Encore Channels on Virgin Media UK.

I guess that depends on when the exclusivity deal with Sky is due to expire.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35899084)
I thought the main channels (BBC1, BBC2 & ITV) had to be provided free ?

It would also be very short sighted of ITV to cut themselves off from viewers (advertisers would not be happy).

It would mean fewer Virgin customers, but how many fewer? I would have thought that most people still have aerials. If not, they just need a Roku or similar device to access TV Player, which carries ITV.

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35899124)
I cannot remember the last time I watched an advert - my tv viewing is at least 95% time-shifted so I use the FF button to skip them.

Same here. But if ITV was no longer carried on Virgin, I would simply record these programmes via my aerial to my DVD recorder. That's how I view most of the main terrestrial channels now as I spread the recordings between my DVD recorder and my two V6s to increase my HD recording capacity.

Maggy 17-05-2017 08:30

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Well that would reduce the amount of repeated shows at one swoop.

Mr Banana 17-05-2017 10:00

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35899079)
If this happens then Virgin will lose a lot of customers!



Why, people will just plug there aerial in and hey presto, you have ITV. Enough programs are time shirted to ensure you don't miss anything.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35899103)
So the PSB's want retransmission fees off the pay TV platforms whilst enjoying EPG prominence on these platforms. Seems a little unfair to me.

VM should go back and say guess what we are blocking ITV from transmitting over our broadband network, unless you pay us 40 million as you currently get that service free of charge.

Inactive Digital 17-05-2017 12:54

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
There are a lot of people who would like Amazon Prime on Tivo/V6 so that they have all their TV, on demand and streaming services on one box.

Imagine the uproar if ITV wasn't available on the box either. Does the proposed legislation amend the requirement to give channels prominence (which is subjective) in EPGs

Mad Max 17-05-2017 12:55

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35899162)
Why, people will just plug there aerial in and hey presto, you have ITV. Enough programs are time shirted to ensure you don't miss anything.

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VM should go back and say guess what we are blocking ITV from transmitting over our broadband network, unless you pay us 40 million as you currently get that service free of charge.


Not everyone has an aerial!

OLD BOY 17-05-2017 16:57

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35899212)
Not everyone has an aerial!

I think most do, though.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 35899210)

There are a lot of people who would like Amazon Prime on Tivo/V6 so that they have all their TV, on demand and streaming services on one box.

Imagine the uproar if ITV wasn't available on the box either.
Does the proposed legislation amend the requirement to give channels prominence (which is subjective) in EPGs

That would annoy me too - totally the wrong direction to go.

nodrogd 19-05-2017 13:39

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35899162)
VM should go back and say guess what we are blocking ITV from transmitting over our broadband network, unless you pay us 40 million as you currently get that service free of charge.

So Sky have boxes that cannot block FTA channels (only remove them from the EPG) so their customers just manually tune their boxes to access ITV. BT & all VM's other IPTV competitors use a hybrid Freeview based systems that can't avoid carrying ITV. If VM switch the service off they will be the odd one out, & will no doubt get a barrage of complaints from people with no other access to the channel. There are enough people that moan already about VM not carrying all the English BBC/ITV regions "like Sky do".

buckeye 19-05-2017 15:33

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
The answer is simple, if ITV want retransmission fees put their channels behind a paywall and let people decide if they want to pay for them or not.

I would hazard a guess they would soon go cap in hand back to VM begging for the previous access they had to the network and EPG.

Raider999 19-05-2017 18:58

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by buckeye (Post 35899523)
The answer is simple, if ITV want retransmission fees put their channels behind a paywall and let people decide if they want to pay for them or not.

I would hazard a guess they would soon go cap in hand back to VM begging for the previous access they had to the network and EPG.


And charge them carriage fees.

Hom3r 20-05-2017 20:10

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
No more ITV bring it on.

No X-Factor, BGT, Take me out, Catchphrase, The Chase, Five gold rings, Big head.

Oh I'm really going to miss them. NOT

Mad Max 21-05-2017 01:47

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35899683)
No more ITV bring it on.

No X-Factor, BGT, Take me out, Catchphrase, The Chase, Five gold rings, Big head.

Oh I'm really going to miss them. NOT

That's not everything they show, is it?

TheDaddy 21-05-2017 04:31

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35899084)
I thought the main channels (BBC1, BBC2 & ITV) had to be provided free ?

It would also be very short sighted of ITV to cut themselves off from viewers (advertisers would not be happy).

Sky weren't allowed to show itv channels years ago, we made a big deal out of it at ondigital at the time

denphone 21-05-2017 05:37

Re: TV Wars: ITV VS Virgin Media
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35899729)
That's not everything they show, is it?

No l do have some good series here and there.;)


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