Incapacity tests reject 37% of claimants
 

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Noticed in this report Chris Grayling **** instantly jumping up for joy to justify many was not disabled yet they forget the goalpost got moved 2 times once under **** labour now massive move under the coalisition.

It does not mean those who missed not disabled it means sadly some disabled been the nuclear fallout to get cheats out.

Got nothing against kicking the cheats off but there is many many backlog of appeals is Mr Grayling bit premature to assume those appeals will all fail. When the average is actually think 50% succesful appeal.

So going by this the figure shrinks the propaganda from government and BEEB disgusting. So the figure is 18.5% Mr Grayling not your report figure.

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39% successful appeal rate.

http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd/worki...a_26072011.pdf page 7

And you are confusing your percentages - the 37% quoted were not appeals across all assessment. The actual appeals were 37% of the 62% who were found 'Fit for Work'.

So the success rate for appeals (at the date of the report) was 39% of 37% of 62% of all ESA completed assessments, which is approx. 9%. of all completed assessments at the time of the report.

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but Hugh those facts don't fit in with his anti government agenda

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Point of information - I am not trying to deflect or support any agendas; just trying to clarify the figures being quoted.

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What I don't get is why do they care so much about cutting benefit when this guy still has not paid the billions he owes the government in tax :D

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thanks hugh I was not completely sure what success ratio of the appeals new it was quite high.

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I thought the figures were 40% deemed fit to work appealled and of those 37-39% succeeded in their appeal with that figure rising to over 70% where they were represented but might be wrong. Pretty pointless to be honest as the WCA is a complete and total joke that is so laughably easy it is very hard to fail the damn thing plenty of testaments to that on the net and from people in the know not just people who failed. Add into that there are some very serious concerns about ATOS and how they run the tests and it is not a fair and proper way to assess fitness anyway.

Fact is this government is not one bit interested in doing right by any group at the minute they are just cutting costs left right and centre saving some money in the short term but likely to cost more in the medium to longterm. Cannot find the link now but a group of consultants have said that forcing people into work which many of them dearly want to do is counter productive in many cases as they will accelerate their conditions meaning more complicated and expensive treatments will be necessary a lot sooner also rendering the individual a lot less independent as well. That seems like common sense to me with regard to some claimants but probably not the majority but for any to be in that position shames us as a country that calls itself developed and civilised.

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Try to be factual, eh?

He doesn't 'owe' anything - all his companies' tax dealings were legal.

That's like saying you 'owe' the government any tax benefits you gained when you made pension contributions.

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It is still wrong and It should be made law that any tax you avoid (bar pensions) as long as records begin should be payed

Especialy as we are in an era were we cannot afford to rebuild our schools

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What are schools got to do with tax or incapacity tests?:rolleyes:

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Becuase of spending cuts, the schools rebuilding programme had been scrapped, while tax evader are never having it so good

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Are there any other laws you wish to change retroactively?

Even if you did so I doubt you'd able to gain enough money to cover ALL the government cuts.

With regards to benefit cuts. I doubt there are many people who think that the system doesn't need to be tightened up or reviewed at all.

But the people who DO the tests and make the decisions about it should at least understand what they are doing to enable the said new system to be fair don't you think?

I just don't think it's all being done the right way.

But I am trying to do something about it - and unlike you this doesn't involve the suggestions of murder/violence or 'rising up'. As you make elsewhere.

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According to the Guardian, 10s of billions have been evaded, so over lets say 25 years, several hundreds of billions of have been evaded and avoided and if reclaimed would fix our finances much better than dealing with Benefits

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Avoided or evaded ? you consistently get mixe up between the two .I have just avoided paying nearly £5,000 in tax ,perfectly legaly ,does that make me worthy of your disgust ?