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Re: Unstoppable migration?

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35835778)

You were blaming poverty, when they are vastly overrepresented in crimes that have nothing to do with it. You said, "They're in between a rock and a hard place in countries which, for whatever reason, can't or won't support them adequately.", stating that the countries weren't providing for their "needs", eg a "sexual emergency"?

Just to be clear I was blaming poverty for some of them turning to crime i.e. theft, shoplifting, NOT rape or other sexual crimes. I also made the point that there are clearly criminals amongst the hordes but maybe you missed that bit.

I've lost count of the number of times I've pointed out the serious problems which will inevitably result from this influx whether it be from an existing criminal or terrorist element or whether it come further down the line when expectations haven't been met, life in the EU has been proved to be a lot harder than was thought and those on the fringes of society gradually get drawn into criminal activity. Maybe you'd care to look by at my posts here early in January after the sexual assaults were starting to be made public, having been 'avoided' by the mainstream media here. I don't see any excuses for that appalling behaviour then and there aren't any now.

Why would it surprise anyone that criminals whose lives have quite probably been made very difficult in their home countries would seize on a opportunity to move to another country (whether it be via 'forced immigration' or via free movement rules) where they're unknown and the opportunities for illegality far greater?

A tinderbox of social unrest, criminality and even terrorism is being created in the EU and the very many lessons from the past concerning large scale migration appear not to have been learned. For the victims of all of this whether the criminality pre-existed or was as a result of various, almost inevitable, factors post immigration, it's really not much comfort. Pointing out what will be, for a proportion of migrants, the almost inevitable outcome of mass movement into communities which may be (and increasingly are) hostile and have very different rules of acceptable social behaviour etc. isn't excusing it.

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Meanwhile:

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Police shot a UK-registered car carrying suspected people smugglers after a chase that crossed from Belgium into France, the state-owned Belga news agency said.

The Audi car carrying four men crashed near Dunkirk in northern France after a reported 200km/h (125mph) chase.

All four were seriously hurt. Two of the men were shot, Belga said.

Soon after the men were stopped, dozens of migrants were found in a lorry in Belgium in a linked operation.

Prosecutors told the agency there was strong evidence the men were involved in a trafficking ring.

France's La Voix du Nord newspaper said the chase began after a lorry driver in Belgium called police when he saw men trying to help 17 migrants into his lorry.

Belga said police arrived at the car park, and the suspects then fled in the car.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36212709

Good! It'll be interesting to find out who they are in due course.

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35835890)

Meanwhile:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36212709

Good! It'll be interesting to find out who they are in due course.

Is this the sort of thing you were alluding to?

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Police later suggested that the men in the Audi might be 'British-Iraqi' – migrants from Iraq with UK passports.

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I wonder why they suggested that?

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35835895)

Is this the sort of thing you were alluding to?

Well we'll have to see but it really wouldn't surprise me. It's about time the authorities got tough with the traffickers who peddle misery for so many.

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Unfortunately, a motorcyclist was killed during that chase :(

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The first trial for sexual offences is getting under way in Cologne over alleged attacks on women in the city on New Year's Eve.

A 26-year-old Algerian is charged with attempted sexual assault and theft.

He is accused of being part of a group of 10 men who surrounded and groped a woman in the main railway station in the early hours of New Year's Day.

The large-scale sexual assaults and robberies by men of North African and Arab appearance shocked Germany.

More than 1,000 criminal complaints were filed, hundreds of them alleging sexual assault, after women reported being surrounded by groups of men in and around Cologne's main station.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36225177

It'll be interesting to see what the sentences handed down are and what the public reaction is. It'd send the right message if those found guilty are deported but will they?...

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Ahhh.... Well migration plan A seems to be heading for the rocks so what's plan B again?...

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Turkey's president has told the EU it will not change its anti-terror laws in return for visa-free travel.

"We'll go our way, you go yours," Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.

The EU says Turkey needs to narrow its definition of terrorism to qualify for visa-free travel - which is part of a larger deal between the sides aimed at easing Europe's migration crisis.

Mr Erdogan was speaking a day after PM Ahmet Davutoglu, who largely negotiated the EU deal, said he was stepping down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36229468

Meanwhile in Cologne:

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A judge in the German city of Cologne has dismissed sexual assault charges against an Algerian man, in the first case over a wave of New Year attacks.

A court spokesman told the BBC "it could not be proven" that the 26-year-old took part in the sexual assault.

He and a fellow Algerian, 23, were convicted of lesser charges and given six month suspended sentences.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36225561

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Bet merkel put pressure on the judge to "go easy"on them.Cannot do anything to derail the agenda to destroy europe.I reckon this will set the precedent for the rest of the the perpetrators to get "not proven" verdicts.You will probably have to kill someone before they get prosecuted.

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BRITAIN is sleepwalking to catastrophe over the influx of migrants, the nation’s ex-race equality supremo said last night.

Trevor Phillips warned the old attitude that they will simply fit in was dangerously misguided and risked massive social unrest.

He demanded state action to integrate the unprecedented numbers settling here. And he blasted the politically correct brigade for standing in the way.
Mr Phillips, ex-head of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, declared Muslims a particular challenge.

He said “a small minority is actively opposed to values and behaviours most Europeans take for granted”.

Linky

When somebody like Trevor Phillips makes these sort of comments the politicians would do well to sit up and smell the coffee.

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He's right and I've been saying this for years. We are storing up massive problems which sooner or later will erupt no matter what the great and the good like to pretend safe in their gated communities, up market streets and country homes as many of them are. Frankly we have enough problems integrating those minority groups already here without adding many, many times more, a good number of whom, as we know, will be intent on bringing their very own forms of intolerance and racial/religious bigotry with them, amongst other things we could do without. This is a massive mess but it isn't one which is going to be solved by opening the floodgates even wider than they already are.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35836629)

Linky

Bordering on Enoch Powell racism there :D

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35836712)

Bordering on Enoch Powell racism there :D

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Mr Phillips said the public was increasingly alarmed by the appearance of non-English names above the shop-fronts in the high street.

What - like Marks* and Spencer, Ikea, Dolce & Gabbana, Zara, Aldi, Lidl, Carluccio's, Primark, Tesco**, Asda***. Bonmarche, Burtons****, Costa Coffee, Starbucks, Pret a Manger, Iceland, TK Maxx, Patisserie Valerie, Netto, Jacques Vert, La Senza, Nike, etc.? ;)
*Marks - Polish Jewish
**Tesco - co is from Jack Cohen, whose father was a Polish Jewish immigrant
*** Asda - part of the US Walmart Group
****Burtons - from Montague Burton, a Lithuanian Jew

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35836746)

their as English as fish and chips;)fried fish was introduced into Britain by Jewish refugees from Portugal and Spain.

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We have a choice where we shop and we don't have a choice about EU migration. ;)

Most people know we're not an inherently xenophobic country and it's not racist or even wrong to want to be able to have some control over who and how many people are allowed to live and work here.