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Well the pasty tax is the result of EU VAT policy.
The granny tax is emotive nonsense banged on about by newspapers as pensioners are about the only people who sill buy them. Pensioners are not the poorest group in the population and taking wealth into account are a very long way from being the poorest group. If they desire to hoard that wealth to pass on to their family that is their prerogative, however this doesn't mean they should be taxed on income at a lower rate than the rest of us. EDIT: Incidentally before the usual nonsense is banged on about on how they've paid tax all their life, etc, etc, I'm 33 and have already paid a lot of tax, doesn't mean I get to pay so much of it then get my income tax free, my goods VAT free, etc. Neither time paying tax nor amount of tax paid are relevant. |
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Even that tax allowance is reduced on a pro rata basis for any pensioner earning or receiving over £25,400 p.a. so that if any pensioner was fortunate enough to receive the heady levels of income that you purport to receive, they would have long since seen any advantage offered to those, much worse off vanish. Quote:
BTW nice to see you back ranting on about the favourable treatment of the oldies (even though you are wrong). Perhaps you should consider for a moment just how difficult it is for some oldies to get a decent return on those great mountains of cash without losing a fortune to inflation before seeing the remaining proceeds decimated by tax. Life can be hard but we are all in it together but some of us, with life experience, just grin and bear it.;) |
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That is, quite frankly, complete ********. From the additional money we pay for goods and services to fund the shortfalls in the final salary pensions we could never have through to the property market that we're frozen out of by later generations using this essential as their pension through to the increased taxes we get to pay for pensions and healthcare for the retired and soon-to-be retired, who in many cases have considerable wealth tied up in property we're hosed. I'm just outside the generation that is going to be the first in a very long time to be no better off than their parents, I'm relatively fortunate. You're probably in a nice sizeable house, that in real terms cost a fraction of its 'value' now, when you get sick visiting an NHS better funded than ever before, on a state pension getting one 'triple locked' to ensure it outpaces social protection and welfare, and you even, regardless of wealth, get funding for heating bills. I don't know you personally but your generation is a generation of parasites who sucked the wealth from generations below both through political power and increasing unearned wealth and complain when they have the temerity to demand the same opportunities at wealth and happiness. People are forced to wait, and wait, and wait to have children because they don't have stable housing, they're too busy paying for your pensions with taxes and then with rent, when housing supply comes up as an issue your generation is out there protesting about having 'your' green spaces taken away, clearly all your housing was built on 100% brownfield, right? :rolleyes: Those of course are the lucky ones, many have flat shares and minimum wage jobs to look forward to. I'm deeply moved that savings took a hit due to inflation, I also couldn't care less, that's how things go sometimes and it's been going on for a relatively limited time. Previous generations had to manage with it, mine and the below won't in many cases even get the opportunity to collect wealth for a good part of our lives due to having to pass huge swathes of our income up the age chain in rent and will be waiting on yours to shuffle off its mortal coil so that we can finally get a share of the wealth you're hoarding. Here's hoping that my generation treats the ones below us with somewhat more consideration. I suspect we will given we're enjoying what happens when a generation or two decide to consider younger ones walking cashpoints. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/89d1634c-7...#axzz1u76NtqF6 Quote:
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EDIT: I think I will follow in the example of many from your generation though and simply ignore you. I appreciate the truth is unpleasant and it's always better to hear what you want to and read what you want to. |
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>>EDIT: I think I will follow in the example of many from your generation though and simply ignore you. I appreciate the truth is unpleasant and it's always better to hear what you want to and read what you want to.<< Perhaps that may be a good idea but don't expect me to reciprocate.;) I do not understand your point of view and guess that you will never understand mine. You and the article authors from whom you have quoted in the past always allocate blame for their circumstances to others. There are many sayings regarding blame allocation and should you choose, you can pick the most appropriate. What an amusing rant you had;). Of course my house was built on a green field site and in retrospect it was wrong so my neighbours and I fight tooth and nail when there is any threat to the green and pleasant land over which we look.;) Nimbyism is indeed alive and well. I do live in a sizeable house and am pleased to have neighbours who are professionals probably on similar income levels to yours. As I have stated before, I care not what the value of my house is as I shall not be selling it. It is my home, nothing more and nothing less. If somebody stupid enough to pay the going market rate eventually pays silly money for it it will be the market forces at play and I guess you won't be in the queue to make my children richer than they already are;). Parasites is a little rich. My children and grandchildren will enjoy a trickle down torrent at some point which if you are not eventually going to be so fortunate will give you something else to blame. Maybe the Conservatives will get in next time and up inheritance tax thresholds to a million per parent and then you can really rant. I do not recall that you had to wait to have a child (given your age and previously quoted age of your child). You choose to live where you do and thereby pay the going rent. I doubt that whatever you live in would remain empty for long so guess that your complaints about market forces are a contortion of what you are part of so as to make some ludicrous point. You made a choice and if rent decimates your income, move:) I have one of those final salary pensions complete with indexing but I paid for it, in the manner that I believe you do. Fortunately I paid during a period when compounding really turned small money into big money as though by magic. Even with compounding it took longer than you have been alive to create a sizeable pot. If your are referring to unfunded pensions which are a Ponzi scheme the I suggest you take that matter up with the governmental parties. Nice to see that you are unconcerned about poor rich pensioners losing so much of their unearned income to inflation. I take comfort from the fact that interest rates hold up the housing market, at the expense of investors which keeps my children out of the negative equity of a housing crash. It makes no difference to me if the housing market crashes but it would to my children and the unfortunate fact that it doesn't help you is unfortunate:). So much for the fun of responding to you and knowing that you probably will not read the reply. I really do think its pathetic that you try to garner support from young people affected by the recession in desperately unfortunate ways when you have proudly alluded to an income approaching 4X the national average. I have sympathy for those people which I find elusive for your arguments. |
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Its nice to know when people get anger off there chest, Things will get worse under the coalition.
I personally feel that Clegg along with Cameron should resign, and let someone take over, there reputation has hit an all time low. If the coalition has to continue, then someone else should jump in, l cannot imagine for one minute the top brass of the Tory party enjoying this 'mini' election one bit. ALL Cameron keeps saying that he must continue with the cuts, to cut the problems that were ' inherited' from the previous government. All he is doing is saving money from US, but giving money to lost causes. Cameron and Clegg got hit where it hurts, If they continue with what they are doing, then they will get hit even harder. |
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I'm not sure you'd like the alternatives Arthur, they'd involve the more right-wing Conservatives doing their thing more.
That'd mean deeper cuts to spending, labour market liberalisation and tax cuts. |
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Sirus, you are wrong. IF we are to have this coalition for another two years or so, then you must have a leader that we think of several things.
To repair the party after the hammering in the election, you have to have a man or woman who will put the people first before money, You have to have a person who will rebuild the party. I do not have a clue to name as you know l am not a Tory supporter or a Lib Dem fan, but you have to have someone who will bring the party together and take on Milliband. |
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Nadine Dorries?
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