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A thread with a poll to discuss the local elections throughout Wales and Scotland and also in parts of England.
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No idea..I think I'll use the pin method.:erm:
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I'm using the write on the slip "drop fuel duty you expenses thiefs"
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Problem is that we shouldn't be voting on national issues at local elections. It's whether your local council is performing or not that you should consider. But it seems national politics have far too great an influence.
Only one of the three candidates for my ward even bothered to stick a leaflet through my door. I have no idea what the Labour or Liberal candidates would wish to achieve for my area, so unsurprisingly they don't deserve my consideration. So the Conservative candidate wins by default. Now if the election was for County Councils, I dare say I'd have had to spoil my vote. No way would I be voting for the Conservative encumbents there when they raised Council Tax by 3% when they could have had a government subsidy to 2.5% (So I'm paying twice, once for the increase to Surrey, and then to subsidise via central government those councils that didn't do the increase), plus their failure to get library cuts under control (they've probably spent more on legal battles than they would have saved). :mad: |
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We've only had blurb through the letterbox from the invisible incumbents (Liberal),from the second runners (Labour) and a pair of smiling Independants. One of the Labour candidates stopped me in the street, and I couldn't understand a word he said! An Indian family down the road could, and are the only home in the local area with any form of political tagging.
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UKIP gets my vote
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We have fully-fledged PR voting (single transferable vote) for local councils in Scotland, thanks to a Faustian pact made long ago between Labour and the Lib Dems to ensure a Labour/LibDem coalition in Edinburgh. The result has been that almost all Scottish councils are permanently in a state of NOC, even those that previously were relatively safe Labour areas. Mind you, even the Socialist Republic of Glasgow looks like it might fall out of Labour's hands tonight.
There were 8 candidates for me to choose from and the two Tories got 1 and 2; number 1 went to the only councillor who bothered to phone me back when I called a few of them to complain about lack of road salt after Mrs T had a nasty crash and number 2 went to the only candidate who bothered to knock at my door in the last couple of weeks. UKIP got 3rd preference, but that's pretty much a wasted vote around here. SNP were 7 and 8 because their smugness is becoming unbearable. :D |
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I won't be wasting my time voting but....if I did then I might go for UKIP.
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l will be voting for Labour as since the Conservatives have took charge of the council they have made several decisions which l don't think have been in the wider interests of the city.:(:td:
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It dont matter anymore who in power they just corrupt. I made protest vote to day first time ever. Greens got my vote nothing to do with there ability to elected in my ward council its they least bunch of scroungers. UKIP just conservitive with different flag. Lib Dem power hungry looneys who would sell there mother for bit power. Conservatives ultra corruption through its ranks labour not much cleaner than conservatives To me politics is dead needs cleaning up We critise theys countries for politics but are we any better when those in power suck up to multi rich businessmen. Sorry this first time I think the nation should throw its weight to give politics its biggest shake up ever. People the ones who in power they can throw these **** into the gutter they belong. Its sad that good local councillors might be the fallguy for a protests but unless they show some guts denounce theyre national MP's they should get the same treatment. Time is for people stand up against corruption. |
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Why no Green (for whom I voted)? - Just because they are the most likely to oust the Tory. I actually signed the Lib Dem persons nomination paper.
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The only party which seems to be different from the rest, seems to be UKIP, although they do come across as a bit..amateur in comparison to the rest, but....I guess one shouldn't judge a book by it's cover and all that
The top three seem to be equally incompetent and unable to get the country back in order, let alone running it efficiently. Labour, Conservative, LibDems, it's like they're all the same party, just slightly different policies, but with the same agenda, an agenda which doesn't seem to put the country as a whole, or the people, first. I don't think I've voted before, as I saw no real point, but this time might be an exception and I think I'd back UKIP. |
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Who do we think's winning so far out there?
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I'll vote Tory, my wife LibDem. Tories currently in control and Tory MP. They've frozen council tax, put up new street lighting (less light pollution) and removed Sunday parking charges that the LibDems brought in. Both parties are active and both have called round. No sign of the poor Labour folk but they don't really have much chance.
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Here in Scotland the single transferable vote ensures almost no councils are controlled by one party. I'm not sure whether that makes local issues easier or harder to detect in voting patterns. I'm very interested to see how it pans out and will be tuning in to the BBC's coverage tonight to find out. |
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Council elections come up by rotation in England, they are never all up at once IIRC. In fact in some councils, when there is an election they don't even elect all council wards at the same time. It's quite possible you don't have an election in your area. Scotland is electing all members for all 32 local authorities today (32, what a ridiculous number of councils for a nation of 6 million people).
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There no UKIP in my area so the real opposition is Lib Dem, Green, Labour or Independent. One Tory has NO opposition. :( Not that it matters much as only a third of the seats are up for grabs and it is blue balloon on a string territory.
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You could Vote anything in Barnsley and Labour would still get in ?
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Depends on when you last voted. tweetiepooh I have on freeze council tax some point services get a kicking when your facing cuts we getting council tax has to go up in line of inflation. Afterall they never going slash the bosses or councillors pay. You cant freeze indefinate. I noticed shift from direct taxation in local councils to fining. Ok if they litter, park illegal, dog foul etc. However getting thinks creap in which takes choice. We now getting 1,000 fine if you dont save the environment. Again some may say its right. Here upshot who decides the fine who checks bins. What happens if someone instead chucks item on floor chucks it in your bin waiting for collection. They said those with recyclable items wont be cleared so binmen got to check. Its madness its also dangerous thing developing. Will we get fined for sneezing next or using oxygen. What about next in line fining for heat loss from home or light polution. So my feelings let councils increase problem is now wages get squeezed so tight it being mugged. |
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first whoops moment is for bristol poor things turned up with wrong key had to erect a gazebo.
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Blood bath for the coalition. Particularly for the Lib Dems.
Gotta 'love' the graphics. Jeremy Vine sitting on his knees to explain the low numbers. What idiot thought that up? |
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Don't forget that the council seats changing hands were last contested in 2008 when things were very different indeed. Vine has just shown an early attempt to chart swing since 2011 and in %age terms it is not such a bloodbath, more like the sort of kicking you would expect parties in government to get in mid-term.
---------- Post added at 00:52 ---------- Previous post was at 00:49 ---------- Justine Greening just pointed out that the Tories gained 1,200 wards in 1999 while Blair was at his most popular - useful context. |
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13% turn out in Harlow apparently, well done Dave, Ed, nick and all your predecessors who have worked so hard to turn the populace of politics.
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Spoilt paper is the way forward for me. "Stop stealing expenses and do the job your paid to do" :)
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Just pleased the Lib Dems have beaten (in the District elections) the newly elected Tory leader of the County Council. :D Labour have gained 3 seats & Lib Dems stayed the same.
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Well I had to choose which single councillor I wanted to represent my ward. I had three options: Labour, Conservative, or Liberal Democrat. In the last election I voted Liberal Democrat across the board and yesterday I voted Labour. I don't like Labour at the moment, I think Ed Miliband is a terrible leader of the party and I wanted Labour to do poorly at the polls in order for him to be kicked out.
However I also wanted the Liberal Democrats to see their vote collapse, to have a bloodbath and lose councils and councillors across the country. I wanted them to see that they will pay with their party for supporting the conservative policies that their voters were strongly against. I voted Liberal Democrat in 2010 because I was concerned about the gradual erosion of civil liberties under the last government, now the Liberal Democrats will likely support the Conservatives in bringing in a database of all our communications. The very same database they and the Tories claimed to be upset about when Labour tried to do it. Also, What happened to the 'freedom bill', designed to roll back Labour's policies? Meet the new government, same as the old government. The Liberal Democrats are spineless, gutless, unprincipled cowards* and I hope they lose badly today. Not that I get angry about these things..... *and yes I am aware you could make a case that voting for policies that will seriously harm your party isn't cowardly but screw em |
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For the first time in my life I didn't vote, my thinking now is that nothing will change until people stop voting then the politicians will have no mandate and will be forced to change the system to a system that is more for the people and less for the benefit of the politicians themselves.
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Now got two teenage Councillors in Gosport.Turnout as bad as ever.
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Go Gosport!
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Let's hope they prove the doubters wrong.
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This is what my brother posted on FB
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As long as I can remember they were often about parties, sometimes a independent wins on the back of a local campaign based on a big local issue. Sometimes a party candidate can buck the trend of their national party based on their reputation but most of the time voters and commentators focus on the parties.
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A cracking result for the Lib Dems...
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I don’t have many details about this right now but an extremely trusted source of mine has said there’s a story doing the rounds that one of the regional mayoral candidates stopped for a photo opportunity where he gave a homeless person £20 but as soon as the press left he and 2 of his heavies went back to him and demanded it back. Apparently this story may well officially break over the weekend.
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Mr Cameron and Cleggy got hammered today, the only good thing is that Boris could win London Mayor which is a total waste of time.
It might be local elections, but the people up and down this country are sick and tired of the coalitions promises, and the total let down of what of what he is doing to the country - l firmly believe that there should be a vote of no confidence put into the house of commons, for the way Cameron has run the country. Cameron will be on his backside. |
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Rant, grumble, throbbing forehead veins, mutter, ramble, repeat ad nauseum......
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MPs might be lazy, possibly corrupt and self serving but mostly they aren't stupid. The Lib Dems especially won't be turkeys voting for Christmas by calling a mid term general election. Labour lost over 1000 seats in 1999 during similar elections, remind me how they did at the next general election? |
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Delighted to see the coalition being appropriately punished for their incompetence.
Doubly delighted to see the Liberal Democrats suffer so much. They've shown themselves completely out of their depth in government. Triply delighted that Boris, socially liberal but in pretty much every other way conservative, so outperformed his party while 'liberal conservative' Dave saw a poor result. My only real regret is that it wasn't much worse for him. Sadly I doubt much will change though. Dave is too arrogant to take the hint that rather than continuously lurching to the left he should be trying to move the electorate to the centre-right, and Nick will be in full-on panic mode trying to look for something, anything, to throw his supporters. I think his resignation would be the best idea to be honest. EDIT: I do love how differently two people see a situation, Arthur likely complains about the impact of the cuts as the source of coalition incompetence, for me it's the lack of cuts in many things, the cutting of the wrong things, and tax rises. |
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It would seem the rest of us (the cannon fodder) are just left to stumble on, in the Britain they broke, as best we can. I know this is always the case but I think this might be the only time that some posh twit has laughably commented that "We are all in it together" and been arrogantly stupid enough to think anybody would believe him. |
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I must admit despite being broadly a Labour supporter in general hardly any of the councillors in my area which returned to Labour this time offer anything over the conservatives,or Lib Dems when they were in power last time, the Labour council privatised the manual workforce ie council home maintenance,road cleaning ect ect,which is exactly what the conservatives would have done.!
For all their faults in the past local councillors i have known had real conviction be they Labour, Conservative, or Liberal, nowadays none of the above is my real choice until some conviction enters uk politics once more. You honestly could not put a cigarette paper between them and the real loser is democracy, as people like me an ordinary man in the street who once had an interest in politics hold up our hands in despair.:mad::( |
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Lets look at it this way, Cameron and Clegg got a kick in the nuts - plain and simple.
The only good thing that came out of it was that Boris won the Mayor of London, and people are saying he could be the next PM, don't make me laugh. Cameron and Clegg got what they deserved, and about 60 per cent of the public didn't vote. Cameron said that he was sorry for the councillors that lost there seats, but this was caused by there leader's incompetence in running this country has brought this upon the votes, and bringing so much heartache to this country. I reckon that within the next six months there will be an general election, as l cannot see the big boys, that can force a new leader election standing for this. It will be the same as what happened to that old woman, she was forced to resign |
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In my town the Tory had a case of whoop ass. :D
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I'm not sure if anyone should be pleased with the demise of the LibDems. Are we really happy with a two-party system and politics that mainly consists of slagging off the other party? I think we could do with more diversity, and as a consequence, more consensus based politics.
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I've seen speculation online claiming that the Government is going to go back on issues such as gay marriage and reform of the House of Lords.
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Arthur. I have a feeling hat this might make interesting reading (vis a vis) a General Election within six months.
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This group aren't conservative they're corporatist, cowardly and pander to vested interests. Being socially liberal and economically conservative is, of course, the way to go. These guys do neither, managing to both annoy those who are liberally minded socially and simultaneously frustrate those conservatively minded economically. |
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If this carries on cameron is gone litally he already had the warning shots from that group which is very powerful. This party which literally panicking. Cameron might weather this disaster but one more mistake if his leverson enquiry not convincing show he gone. Cameron cup final very soon me thinks. Who will get the job god knows probs one of the previous ones IDS, Howard. They may go for populist trick Clarke, Davis. I doubt they go for new kid on the block its been imitigating distaster. On clegg they may as well burn bridges now they economy failed its does not matter if its eurozone cause more harm coalisiton failed to keep economy ticking as policies caused more harm. We should increased minimum wake more tried to get consumer confidence to spend (not credit). There no reason for Lib Dems staying anymore they will break they have too to littally stop hemoraging. I fancy it will split soon talk is old liberals planning revolt from demecrats. I dont know what sort numbers this involves but it will weaken coalisition. Think got it right way round know one dont want to be blamed for the others failures. By using there retric hate machine they took too much out of the economy which harmed it. Nobody saying we needed tightening belts but squeeze the right end not the wrong. Try stimulas policies not ones which retoric pet hates. Take persecusion of disabled the so called true disabled will be alright lies. The peddling of retoric hate. Giving ATOS targets look press from ministers on DLA aim to get 20%. Will this be hook and crook. Its stupid all this money out the economy its not saving anything its taken it out. Nobody denies get the fruadster but not by moving goalposts hurting genuine disabled. Coalition not totally blame merve the swerve can take alot blame too. We should not been paraniod to keep interest rates low let it slip abit. Ok people could not afford extra on mortages but should not be running so tight to the wind with incomes. My thinking is If we was to tank wages then standard living had to be tanked too. We was hoping market forces would bring utilities and oil prices down but wont as invesors are inflating it. We got ween them off it take stricter control on utilities pricing. Not easy task to either. The housing idea was stupid will just turn us back ready for another false economy & housing boom. Last thing we need right now is housing bubble. Maybe to bust housing those pre-pack homes should had tax exemption to encourage this new markets growth. Build load cheap housing rental with it. Recoup the investment from the housing rents. Cheap rental cheap to build and cheap homes will surely drive down private rental and housing markets. Just few ideas no means perfect not chancellor but I see the way things been done caused self harm. I do wonder if removing Osborne and giving Clarke the job might recover ground and damage but his performance with rambalings shows he aged. |
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The people in local elections have voiced there opinion of what is happening in this country today.
The people are fed up with ' so called promises' that have not been kept, I firmly believe that there will be a motion in parliament of no confidence in Cameron or Clegg, and you must remember Clegg was totally humilated by the voter, can you imagine what the Lib Dems must think of him. Since the coalition came into power, they have introduced more stupid taxes that ARE effecting the people, The pasty tax, granny tax, this is an easy way that the government make money out of us. The next tax on the agenda will be the Sandwich tax, the the British breakfast tax. NOT once has Cameron or Clegg said sorry to the British public for what we are going through - this is why the public will keep kicking them where it hurts. |
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Well the pasty tax is the result of EU VAT policy.
The granny tax is emotive nonsense banged on about by newspapers as pensioners are about the only people who sill buy them. Pensioners are not the poorest group in the population and taking wealth into account are a very long way from being the poorest group. If they desire to hoard that wealth to pass on to their family that is their prerogative, however this doesn't mean they should be taxed on income at a lower rate than the rest of us. EDIT: Incidentally before the usual nonsense is banged on about on how they've paid tax all their life, etc, etc, I'm 33 and have already paid a lot of tax, doesn't mean I get to pay so much of it then get my income tax free, my goods VAT free, etc. Neither time paying tax nor amount of tax paid are relevant. |
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Even that tax allowance is reduced on a pro rata basis for any pensioner earning or receiving over £25,400 p.a. so that if any pensioner was fortunate enough to receive the heady levels of income that you purport to receive, they would have long since seen any advantage offered to those, much worse off vanish. Quote:
BTW nice to see you back ranting on about the favourable treatment of the oldies (even though you are wrong). Perhaps you should consider for a moment just how difficult it is for some oldies to get a decent return on those great mountains of cash without losing a fortune to inflation before seeing the remaining proceeds decimated by tax. Life can be hard but we are all in it together but some of us, with life experience, just grin and bear it.;) |
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That is, quite frankly, complete ********. From the additional money we pay for goods and services to fund the shortfalls in the final salary pensions we could never have through to the property market that we're frozen out of by later generations using this essential as their pension through to the increased taxes we get to pay for pensions and healthcare for the retired and soon-to-be retired, who in many cases have considerable wealth tied up in property we're hosed. I'm just outside the generation that is going to be the first in a very long time to be no better off than their parents, I'm relatively fortunate. You're probably in a nice sizeable house, that in real terms cost a fraction of its 'value' now, when you get sick visiting an NHS better funded than ever before, on a state pension getting one 'triple locked' to ensure it outpaces social protection and welfare, and you even, regardless of wealth, get funding for heating bills. I don't know you personally but your generation is a generation of parasites who sucked the wealth from generations below both through political power and increasing unearned wealth and complain when they have the temerity to demand the same opportunities at wealth and happiness. People are forced to wait, and wait, and wait to have children because they don't have stable housing, they're too busy paying for your pensions with taxes and then with rent, when housing supply comes up as an issue your generation is out there protesting about having 'your' green spaces taken away, clearly all your housing was built on 100% brownfield, right? :rolleyes: Those of course are the lucky ones, many have flat shares and minimum wage jobs to look forward to. I'm deeply moved that savings took a hit due to inflation, I also couldn't care less, that's how things go sometimes and it's been going on for a relatively limited time. Previous generations had to manage with it, mine and the below won't in many cases even get the opportunity to collect wealth for a good part of our lives due to having to pass huge swathes of our income up the age chain in rent and will be waiting on yours to shuffle off its mortal coil so that we can finally get a share of the wealth you're hoarding. Here's hoping that my generation treats the ones below us with somewhat more consideration. I suspect we will given we're enjoying what happens when a generation or two decide to consider younger ones walking cashpoints. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/89d1634c-7...#axzz1u76NtqF6 Quote:
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>>EDIT: I think I will follow in the example of many from your generation though and simply ignore you. I appreciate the truth is unpleasant and it's always better to hear what you want to and read what you want to.<< Perhaps that may be a good idea but don't expect me to reciprocate.;) I do not understand your point of view and guess that you will never understand mine. You and the article authors from whom you have quoted in the past always allocate blame for their circumstances to others. There are many sayings regarding blame allocation and should you choose, you can pick the most appropriate. What an amusing rant you had;). Of course my house was built on a green field site and in retrospect it was wrong so my neighbours and I fight tooth and nail when there is any threat to the green and pleasant land over which we look.;) Nimbyism is indeed alive and well. I do live in a sizeable house and am pleased to have neighbours who are professionals probably on similar income levels to yours. As I have stated before, I care not what the value of my house is as I shall not be selling it. It is my home, nothing more and nothing less. If somebody stupid enough to pay the going market rate eventually pays silly money for it it will be the market forces at play and I guess you won't be in the queue to make my children richer than they already are;). Parasites is a little rich. My children and grandchildren will enjoy a trickle down torrent at some point which if you are not eventually going to be so fortunate will give you something else to blame. Maybe the Conservatives will get in next time and up inheritance tax thresholds to a million per parent and then you can really rant. I do not recall that you had to wait to have a child (given your age and previously quoted age of your child). You choose to live where you do and thereby pay the going rent. I doubt that whatever you live in would remain empty for long so guess that your complaints about market forces are a contortion of what you are part of so as to make some ludicrous point. You made a choice and if rent decimates your income, move:) I have one of those final salary pensions complete with indexing but I paid for it, in the manner that I believe you do. Fortunately I paid during a period when compounding really turned small money into big money as though by magic. Even with compounding it took longer than you have been alive to create a sizeable pot. If your are referring to unfunded pensions which are a Ponzi scheme the I suggest you take that matter up with the governmental parties. Nice to see that you are unconcerned about poor rich pensioners losing so much of their unearned income to inflation. I take comfort from the fact that interest rates hold up the housing market, at the expense of investors which keeps my children out of the negative equity of a housing crash. It makes no difference to me if the housing market crashes but it would to my children and the unfortunate fact that it doesn't help you is unfortunate:). So much for the fun of responding to you and knowing that you probably will not read the reply. I really do think its pathetic that you try to garner support from young people affected by the recession in desperately unfortunate ways when you have proudly alluded to an income approaching 4X the national average. I have sympathy for those people which I find elusive for your arguments. |
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Its nice to know when people get anger off there chest, Things will get worse under the coalition.
I personally feel that Clegg along with Cameron should resign, and let someone take over, there reputation has hit an all time low. If the coalition has to continue, then someone else should jump in, l cannot imagine for one minute the top brass of the Tory party enjoying this 'mini' election one bit. ALL Cameron keeps saying that he must continue with the cuts, to cut the problems that were ' inherited' from the previous government. All he is doing is saving money from US, but giving money to lost causes. Cameron and Clegg got hit where it hurts, If they continue with what they are doing, then they will get hit even harder. |
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Sirus, you are wrong. IF we are to have this coalition for another two years or so, then you must have a leader that we think of several things.
To repair the party after the hammering in the election, you have to have a man or woman who will put the people first before money, You have to have a person who will rebuild the party. I do not have a clue to name as you know l am not a Tory supporter or a Lib Dem fan, but you have to have someone who will bring the party together and take on Milliband. |
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Nadine Dorries?
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