Catalonia Independence
Riot police in stand off as illegal Catalonia independence vote begins.
The Spanish police have already removed ballot boxes from several polling stations. I don't expect this to end any time soon. |
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somewhere else where the will of the people is ignored how European of them
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I dare say they don't know what they're voting for so if the vote does go the 'wrong' way, no doubt they''ll be given another chance to come up with the right answer...
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Catalonia has it's own Parliament with a President (currently Carles Puigdemont) appointed by the King (after party or coalition selection). The Parliament, as ordinary representative of the state in Catalonia, they promulgate laws in the region in name of the king. |
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This is, in the short term at least, a no-win situation. Madrid have handled it very badly. They know losing Catalonia would cause extreme pain for their economy and the country as a whole, they have shown extreme recalcitrance in their dealings with it. The whole situation is a mess.
On another note seems for some no opportunity to take a pop at the European Union and other institutions should go untaken. They quite literally cannot support this referendum. They'd be accused of 'meddling' by the Express, two of the top four Google entries, either way. |
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No so much of a stand-off anymore.
https://order-order.com/2017/10/01/s...atalan-voters/ I don't think this is going to be forgotten in a very long time. If the Spanish authorities are so sure it's all illegal and the result will hold no water why don't they just ignore it. Is there really any need to beat people up for voting? |
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I guess a European army will come in handy if the Eurocrats and their pals decide people are going cold on the prospect of ever more unyielding central control of their lives... |
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Igni is correct, the Spanish Government have handled it very badly.This heavy handedness may be the straw that breaks the camel's back and leads to a unilateral declaration of independence anyway. I can see more trouble and unrest ahead. |
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From what I've heard both sides of this have very different views as to legality of the vote and anything which follows from it so it'll be up to higher powers to decide those things I'd have thought, regardless of the outcome. There's clearly going to be huge resentment as a result of this unwarranted action from Madrid and frankly I can see it escalating quickly if lives are lost. |
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Frustration at not being able to troll the Brexit thread boiling over in at least one quarter it seems. There are riots and police apparently brutalising people in Spain and it's a precursor to a police state Europe-wide. There will be consequences to this at ECtHR level if it's as it seems, because Spain is probably violating the ECHR.
As of right now though this is nothing to do with Europe or the European Union beyond that Spain is in both. Weird as the concept may seem for those obsessed with that the EUSSR is pervasive and runs everything this is an internal matter within a sovereign member state. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/934527/...-mariano-rajoy Quote:
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Is there any question that those in the region who're dead set against independence are being intimidated or prevented from taking part in this vote in order to prevent it happening? I haven't seen/heard any evidence of that. Of course they may well decide that voting legitimises something they consider illegitimate and refuse to take part and I'd fully understand that. Whatever calls for violence there have been by officials either side of the debate, it doesn't look much like those being responsible for it are the ones being beaten in the coverage so far but I'm certain it will happen. It'll be interesting to see what happens with whatever results are obtained from this vote. How anyone can have any confidence in the outcome is beyond me. Who's verifying anything? It's worse than Tower Hamlets. There'll be all sports of claims from one side and the other about undue influence, intimidation, etc. It's a complete mess and a very big one that's for sure. The hornet's nest has been stirring for many years and it won't go away any sooner.
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