Lower pay for NHS staff in poorer areas
The Health Secretary Andrew Lansley backs lower pay for NHS staff in poorer areas
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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ed-public.html
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Personally i think it will create all sorts of problems ,as you say it will reinforce the north south divide that's already there .It will lead to staff shortages in northern hospitals .It's unfair to pay different rates for the same job and don't the london workers already get a "london allowance".If the government want the poorer half of the country to get better off then this is the wrong way to do so |
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Sorry to gate-crash your love-in gents, but you seem to have rather missed the point of regional differences in wages. ;)
People in the southeast do not have 'better wages' than people in the northeast, or northwest. They have wages that reflect the higher - in some cases absurdly higher - llving costs associated with London and its hinterland.* At present an NHS worker earning the same money in Newcastle as someone doing an identical job in Watford is, in real terms, significantly better off. I see no reason why, as a taxpayer, I should pay to maintain out-moded, left-wing ideas about uniform nationwide terms and conditions which run entirely counter to economic reality. * I have lived and worked in northwest and southeast England and in central Scotland and I can assure you in terms of what it costs to live in each of those areas, the southeast would bring tears to your eyes. |
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I don't think Andrew Lansley's thoughts have anything to do with cost-of-living. I think its to do with keeping posh people in the south to spend all of their disposable income there. And saving money in the NHS on wages/pensions payments etc
Chris: Don't you think a Paramedic/Nurse in Newcastle deserves the same pay as somewhere like Hertfordshire? (I specifically didn't mention London) They do the same job...deal with very ill/dying people? Perhaps what would work better in your "if its cheaper to live you should get paid less" thought, would be to add a broader "southern weighting" to the south of england on top of the standard pay bands. |
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But it's not just about pay, is it? It's also about how much it costs to live somewhere.
If all trades/professions are paid the same, no matter where they are geographically, doesn't that disadvantage those living in the South-East (not just London, but Berkshire, Hertfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Kent, Sussex, Essex, Hampshire, et al), as they will have less disposable income after they have paid their higher costs (such as housing, transport, etc)? For instance, I took a fairly large cut in salary when I moved up North, but I balanced that out with a lower cost of living, so it evened out in the end - there was no way I could get the same salary in Leeds that I could in the South-East/London. |
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Maybe the government should examine why a tin of beans ,a litre of fuel or houses costs more down south for no apparent reason other than the location |
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Medical professionals don't have a monopoly on difficult jobs and I'm afraid I don't think they have a right to an exemption from the same basic rules of a market economy that govern the rest of us. The current situation is an anachronism, an overhang from the days when over-mighty trade unions used socialist dogma to override basic economics. National pay bargaining is as daft as State-controlled bread prices. ---------- Post added at 21:49 ---------- Previous post was at 21:41 ---------- Quote:
The fact is, employers in these areas already face wage pressures because the State is artificially inflating levels thanks to national pay. The idea that wages in the south should be lifted, rather than lowered in the north, is insane. Where do you propose we find the money to pay for that? |
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Should this proposal actually happen it will be a life changing decision for many people .Of course all this depends on how much they decide to drop the northern wage but going by your earlier statement i would expect it to be quite a lot |
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Seeing as nobody is being threatened with a cash terms pay cut, I don't think lifestyle or mortgage payments should be a concern. Differentials will open up over time. Anyone who has built a lifestyle on the size of pay increases they expect to get next year or the year after is living dangerously regardless of whether regional pay is introduced.
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All it means is that they will not give pay rises to the North as we can fend for ourselves by other means such as sharing a bed under a few coats.
In other words we are going to get done over by a government who believes civilisation only extends as far as Watford. |
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