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RichardCoulter 19-08-2017 16:25

Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Since getting a V6 with 6 tuners, I never go into the screen that manages series links as I find that I no longer need to prioritise them.

However, a new series started the other day that I could have sworn already had a SL set for it, but didn't.

I found that only 1,000 are displayed (I record a lot of radio stuff).

Does anyone know what the situation is:

- Is there an absolute max of 1,000?

- If so, does adding new SL's simply make others drop off ie the oldest or any non active ones?

- Or is it that it can only display up to 1,000? I'm thinking that this could be a possibility as no warning message has ever been displayed.

Thanks.

Stephen 19-08-2017 19:55

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Why on earth would anyone even have over 1000 series links?

I think there is barely 40 on our service and thats with my wife and step daughter in the house.

OLD BOY 19-08-2017 20:23

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35913316)
Why on earth would anyone even have over 1000 series links?

I think there is barely 40 on our service and thats with my wife and step daughter in the house.

Yes, 1,000 does seem rather a lot, and Richard hasn't had his V6 for a year yet!

However, we mustn't forget that unless you physically delete them, they remain on the series link list.

All the same, 1,000 in less than a year... :p:

Stephen 19-08-2017 20:43

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
I watch a lot of TV and can't even think of 100 things I would record a series for never mind 1000.

RichardCoulter 19-08-2017 21:04

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
They easily add up with all the short form mini series that I record on Radio 4.

Mythica 19-08-2017 22:04

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35913321)
Yes, 1,000 does seem rather a lot, and Richard hasn't had his V6 for a year yet!

However, we mustn't forget that unless you physically delete them, they remain on the series link list.

All the same, 1,000 in less than a year... :p:

They can carry over from the old TiVo.

Stephen 20-08-2017 13:39

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35913335)
They easily add up with all the short form mini series that I record on Radio 4.

Maybe have a clean up then if there are some programmes finished or will no longer be on?

denphone 20-08-2017 13:45

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35913321)
Yes, 1,000 does seem rather a lot, and Richard hasn't had his V6 for a year yet!

However, we mustn't forget that unless you physically delete them, they remain on the series link list.

All the same, 1,000 in less than a year... :p:

400 on ours.

arcimedes 20-08-2017 16:03

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Oh dear I am quite embarrassed having only a total of about 60 in total on 2 tivos.

RichardCoulter 20-08-2017 16:30

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35913404)
Maybe have a clean up then if there are some programmes finished or will no longer be on?

I was hoping to avoid this, but might have to when I obtain an answer to my question. Most of them are actually greyed out.

RobboEdin 20-08-2017 17:15

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
It would be sensible to prune out old series links anyway.
Every time your V6 gets an EPG update, it will spend time checking each of your 1000 series links to see if there is anything that needs added to your planned recordings.
Go to your Planned Recordings, Press Home followed by 2 is the easiest way. Then press the blue button three times to get the All listing and see just how big it is.

heero_yuy 20-08-2017 17:18

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
You need to get out more. :D

RichardCoulter 20-08-2017 23:55

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35913438)
It would be sensible to prune out old series links anyway.
Every time your V6 gets an EPG update, it will spend time checking each of your 1000 series links to see if there is anything that needs added to your planned recordings.
Go to your Planned Recordings, Press Home followed by 2 is the easiest way. Then press the blue button three times to get the All listing and see just how big it is.

Good point, maybe this is why I sometimes get the spinning purple circle?? It might be being caused by it having to do this checking when I'm asking the CPU to perform another function.

pip08456 21-08-2017 07:27

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Why anyone would need 1,000 series links let alone more is totally beyond comprehension.

There's only 24hrs in a day A majority taken up by sleeping, preparing and eating a meal etc.

RichardCoulter 21-08-2017 12:57

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
The majority are inactive remnants from Radio 4 short form series as one of the USP's of TiVo is that it will use these to start a new series without any user intervention.

jj20x 21-08-2017 18:19

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35913519)
The majority are inactive remnants from Radio 4 short form series as one of the USP's of TiVo is that it will use these to start a new series without any user intervention.

Unless it happens to be "American Horror Story", which fails to do that every year. (Obviously AHS has nothing to do with Radio 4. :D )

Stuart 23-08-2017 23:44

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35913478)
Why anyone would need 1,000 series links let alone more is totally beyond comprehension.

There's only 24hrs in a day A majority taken up by sleeping, preparing and eating a meal etc.

Depends how many people are in the house. If you have 2 adults and 2 (or more) kids in the house, all with different tastes, it's entirely possible to build up a lot of series links. Especially when you factor in those that have ended, but you haven't deleted the link in case it's repeated one day.

OLD BOY 24-08-2017 08:31

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35913845)
Depends how many people are in the house. If you have 2 adults and 2 (or more) kids in the house, all with different tastes, it's entirely possible to build up a lot of series links. Especially when you factor in those that have ended, but you haven't deleted the link in case it's repeated one day.

Yes, and it's not wise to delete series links willy nilly because by keeping them on there, your device will pick up new seies of those programmes for you as well.

Joedm45 24-08-2017 12:26

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35913554)
Unless it happens to be "American Horror Story", which fails to do that every year. (Obviously AHS has nothing to do with Radio 4. :D )

Where by another TiVo USP kicks in and should be used, Wishlists. As far as I know each series has American Horror Story in the title followed by x, problem solved ;)

jj20x 24-08-2017 13:55

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joedm45 (Post 35913872)
Where by another TiVo USP kicks in and should be used, Wishlists. As far as I know each series has American Horror Story in the title followed by x, problem solved ;)

Which then goes on to record all of the repeats of earlier seasons on 5Star etc, so still less than ideal.

denphone 24-08-2017 14:10

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35913861)
Yes, and it's not wise to delete series links willy nilly because by keeping them on there, your device will pick up new seies of those programmes for you as well.

For once we agree OB.:tu:

Joedm45 24-08-2017 16:38

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35913882)
Which then goes on to record all of the repeats of earlier seasons on 5Star etc, so still less than ideal.

Not sure how many channels it's on as I don't watch it but if only Fox and 5Star then perhaps select record in HD and new episodes only.

I agree it is one of those awkward series links, but there are not that many shows that change titles every season. I wonder how Sky deals with this on Sky+ or Sky Q

spiderplant 24-08-2017 16:56

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35913882)
Which then goes on to record all of the repeats of earlier seasons on 5Star etc, so still less than ideal.

But how similar do two programmes need to be to be considered in the same series? There is no 'right' answer. It's a matter of opinion.

I recently had this discussion about "Wild Alaska" vs. "Wild Alaska Live". Should they be linked? And what about all those programmes with "CSI" in the title? :shrug:

jj20x 24-08-2017 20:08

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35913903)
But how similar do two programmes need to be to be considered in the same series? There is no 'right' answer. It's a matter of opinion.

I recently had this discussion about "Wild Alaska" vs. "Wild Alaska Live". Should they be linked? And what about all those programmes with "CSI" in the title? :shrug:

But they are different. I wouldn't expect a Dark Matter series link to automatically record Dark Matter After Dark for example.

Not quite the same thing with American Horror Story, each season has a "sub title" which, unfortunately, breaks the series link.

RichardCoulter 25-08-2017 14:34

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35913903)
But how similar do two programmes need to be to be considered in the same series? There is no 'right' answer. It's a matter of opinion.

I recently had this discussion about "Wild Alaska" vs. "Wild Alaska Live". Should they be linked? And what about all those programmes with "CSI" in the title? :shrug:

Is there any way to find out if my assumption that there is a max of 1,000 SL's allowed is correct?

I'm reluctant to start deleting some, but will scrap and Radio 4 series if I have to.

Jacquesb 25-08-2017 17:18

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Good question Richard - notice that nobody managed to give you a "straight answer"!:erm:

Hugh 25-08-2017 17:20

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Because it would appear that no one on here has had that challenge...

OLD BOY 25-08-2017 17:52

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35914017)
Is there any way to find out if my assumption that there is a max of 1,000 SL's allowed is correct?

I'm reluctant to start deleting some, but will scrap and Radio 4 series if I have to.

I really don't know how you manage to watch and listen to so much, Richard.

I have not counted my series links on my previous Tivo box, but I don't think I had accumulated 500 in five years! As you haven't even possessed your current box for a year yet, accruing anything close to 1,000 series links is quite a feat.

Have you contacted the Guinness Book of Records? I'm sure they will be amazed!

However, all I can say in answer to your question is that to the best of my knowledge, there is no limit. However, I am sure that when you pass the 1,000 mark and you have the answer to your own question, you will let us know!

neilo 25-08-2017 17:53

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Oh this is just fantastic! By far the best one yet.

ozsat 25-08-2017 18:32

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Why not try and go over 1000??

It may be it is a display limit rather than a physical limit.

Would be interested to know
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35914017)
Is there any way to find out if my assumption that there is a max of 1,000 SL's allowed is correct?

I'm reluctant to start deleting some, but will scrap and Radio 4 series if I have to.


OLD BOY 25-08-2017 21:35

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35914049)
Why not try and go over 1000??

It may be it is a display limit rather than a physical limit.

Would be interested to know

May be you go through a worm hole to another universe :Yikes:

RichardCoulter 26-08-2017 10:22

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35914044)
I really don't know how you manage to watch and listen to so much, Richard.

I have not counted my series links on my previous Tivo box, but I don't think I had accumulated 500 in five years! As you haven't even possessed your current box for a year yet, accruing anything close to 1,000 series links is quite a feat.

Have you contacted the Guinness Book of Records? I'm sure they will be amazed!

However, all I can say in answer to your question is that to the best of my knowledge, there is no limit. However, I am sure that when you pass the 1,000 mark and you have the answer to your own question, you will let us know!

The majority are inactive remnants from Radio 4 short form series as one of the USP's of TiVo is that it will use these to start a new series without any user intervention.

heero_yuy 26-08-2017 10:37

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35914049)
Why not try and go over 1000??

It may be it is a display limit rather than a physical limit.

Would be interested to know

If the links are stored on the HDD I suspect the limit would be 32,767. Can't see the programmer using more than an int (Signed 16 bit) to number them.

spiderplant 26-08-2017 13:04

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35914088)
If the links are stored on the HDD I suspect the limit would be 32,767. Can't see the programmer using more than an int (Signed 16 bit) to number them.

I'd hope they'd use an unsigned 32-bit integer for anything like that. It's a 32-bit processor, and you can't have a negative number of series links. Using a signed integer to hold a count is just asking for bugs.

heero_yuy 26-08-2017 13:19

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35914095)
I'd hope they'd use an unsigned 32-bit integer for anything like that. It's a 32-bit processor, and you can't have a negative number of series links. Using a signed integer to hold a count is just asking for bugs.

:tu:

Mind you they did use a signed number in the SH to count the RS errors.

RichardCoulter 27-08-2017 21:24

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35914049)
Why not try and go over 1000??

It may be it is a display limit rather than a physical limit.

Would be interested to know

Did some experimenting today.

It appears that you can go over 1,000 series links, but, this causes a problem as after number 999 the last one is labelled as 100 and no more are displayed.

This means that any series links after 1,000 are unmanageable ie if you add more they are not displayed and therefore cannot be deleted, prioritised etc.

So the answer seems to be that you can add more, but unless some are deleted you aren't able to, say, prioritise a new series that you particularly want to see.

I'm going to have to decide whether to delete some series that I don't think will ever return or that I'm not too bothered about (and as has been mentioned this will have the advantage that the V6 won't be wasting resources checking the dead links) or just carry on as normal and hope that the 6 tuners will mean that no programmes fail to record because I can't prioritise them.

I'll probably just carry on as I have been as it will save the laborious task of manually deleting stuff and returning series will be recorded automatically.

Regularly checking Planned Recordings should deal with any clashes (which I do anyway).

Whilst I have more than the norm for an average user, I think that this problem will eventually affect more people with the passage of time (particularly in larger households) as I doubt most people bother to cancel a SL when a series has ended.

Out of interest, do those with hardly any series links routinely cancel their SL's or is it simply because you don't use the feature very much?

Sirius 28-08-2017 19:41

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35914208)

Out of interest, do those with hardly any series links routinely cancel their SL's or is it simply because you don't use the feature very much?

I cancel and remove them once they have done there job, i have 20 at the moment. V6 box btw

RichardCoulter 28-08-2017 20:15

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Interesting. Up until now I've always left them as one of the USP's of TiVo is that it will automatically pick up when a new series starts.

In the light of this 1,000 thing I may have to follow suit!

ozsat 29-08-2017 17:20

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
You may reach a new level which unlocks Sky Atlantic and Sports UHD :p:
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35914058)
May be you go through a worm hole to another universe :Yikes:


OLD BOY 30-08-2017 08:47

Re: Is there a max of 1,000 series links?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35914321)
Interesting. Up until now I've always left them as one of the USP's of TiVo is that it will automatically pick up when a new series starts.

In the light of this 1,000 thing I may have to follow suit!

I think for normal usage you can just leave them. I think the way you use your box is unusual and if I were you, I would now take out all the links which you are unlikely to need in the future.


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