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sollp 06-11-2008 23:04
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Originally Posted by Help!!! (Post 34670128)
Whats Sky got to do with Virgin?
The point being, if your caught obtaining services fraudulantly you will not only be disconnected from VM ,but as an added deterent you would also be blacklisted from obtaining services from another provider. As they would also be doing it to another provider, so would make sense to make it difficult for these people to get a service from whatever provider.

jdw 06-11-2008 23:04
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Yeh they are getting serious on dodgy boxes.

there will be letters sent to people who have been caught with them, also there will be a message that appears on there tv that says, that it is an unathorised box and to cease using it ! :)

Bonglet 07-11-2008 11:38
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They have been saying this since time began and its still hasnt done much good
still just as much as ever going on, ****es you off when you find information from such sites and you see them trading mac codes on YOUR ubr.

BarFly 07-11-2008 11:46
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Originally Posted by jdw (Post 34670264)
Yeh they are getting serious on dodgy boxes.

there will be letters sent to people who have been caught with them, also there will be a message that appears on there tv that says, that it is an unathorised box and to cease using it ! :)
I dont think its people who have been caught with them, from looking at *other* forums, lots of people who recieved the letters bought them from suppliers who had been raided & closed down by the police, so it looks like VM have gained access to those business's sales list

The message is a waste of time, they know they are getting goods for free, so seeing a message on a channel wont mean anything to them.. Just delete the channel its been attached to, & move on..

Toto 07-11-2008 14:16
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Originally Posted by Broadbandings (Post 34670219)
Hopefully they'll ensure that any homes found using dubious equipment are disconnected, the cable serving the home cut or removed, and suitably flagged so that unless they demonstrably change ownership or rental status of the home they will not have cable repulled.

1 strike and you're out. There's no tolerance for this in the US, should be none here. People who use this kit should be sent to prison and their homes blacklisted from ever receiving cable.

That said VM should also invest in a more robust encryption system with it. The present one doesn't cut in. Perhaps with the recent thaw in relations between them and News Corp / Sky they'll start using the same system as Sky :)
Not sure about putting dodgy STB owning scumbags in prison, but I like your point,its got teeth.

Matth 09-11-2008 22:51
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To make a major change in the coding, they would have to replace the boxes, so the only coding changes likely are those which can be done by a firmware update or card reprogramming.
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Horace 10-11-2008 02:38
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http://www.nds.com/press_releases/Premiere_150408.html

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Originally Posted by NDS
During the coming months Premiere and NDS will be working closely to smoothly migrate the operator’s satellite platforms and set-top box (STB) population to VideoGuard, the world’s leading conditional access (CA) system which now protects over 82.7 million active devices worldwide. As part of this process, smart cards currently deployed will be replaced and VideoGuard software will be downloaded to existing STBs. New STBs will be equipped with VideoGuard. Premiere will deploy NDS’ leading edge security technology to its subscribers seamlessly, with no interruption to reception of programming.
I assume that's wrapping Nagra around NDS, so it may be possible with just a card swap-out.

Premiere currently use Nagra albeit version 2 and I suspect their receivers will be more flexible than Virgin's ageing range but you never know.

icestar2 10-11-2008 04:00
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What about dodgy modems then ? I find it very annoying that people are stealing bandwidth and forcing the paying users to have such a poor service in some parts !

Would rather here their doing something about that TBH.

Nidge 10-11-2008 05:15
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They don't do anything when you phone up anyway, I informed VM that a person was using 3 chipped STB's, they got back to me and said they are on the basic package and no information was coming back off the box to suggest otherwise. I have spoken to some installers over the last few months and they have said, as long as you are signed up to the basic package there's no way they can trace you, one installer said that there were people out there who were running chipped boxes and had been for the last 5 or so years.

Maggy 10-11-2008 08:02
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Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34672273)
They don't do anything when you phone up anyway, I informed VM that a person was using 3 chipped STB's, they got back to me and said they are on the basic package and no information was coming back off the box to suggest otherwise. I have spoken to some installers over the last few months and they have said, as long as you are signed up to the basic package there's no way they can trace you, one installer said that there were people out there who were running chipped boxes and had been for the last 5 or so years.
Can anyone confirm that?:erm:

on in an hour! 10-11-2008 10:05
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34672282)
Can anyone confirm that?:erm:
i can tell you that as a principal service tech i get mails from fraud with addresses that have been reported as having illegal equipment on the network and they are very specific 'disconnect at node'.but there again youve got to remember that these people who use illegal equipment (be it a modem or a stt) will (as said earlier) be subscribing to a package,also remember it doesnt have to be CATV as a subscription to broadband will keep your co-axial connection going to your property.:(

Nidge 10-11-2008 10:14
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34672282)
Can anyone confirm that?:erm:

It was on of the Mods on here who ran the test Maggie, I gave him the house number and post code.


Here's one reply I got back.

Hi Nidge,

ntl have got back to me and have told me that the customer is paying for all three services and has been doing for the last 3 years. Do the people you know about have an additional device that ntl don't know about?

Thanks,

zing_deleted 10-11-2008 10:20
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Originally Posted by on in an hour! (Post 34672323)
i can tell you that as a principal service tech i get mails from fraud with addresses that have been reported as having illegal equipment on the network and they are very specific 'disconnect at node'.but there again youve got to remember that these people who use illegal equipment (be it a modem or a stt) will (as said earlier) be subscribing to a package,also remember it doesnt have to be CATV as a subscription to broadband will keep your co-axial connection going to your property.:(

obviously they woudl not disconnect on just the strength of a phone call though ? I mean if someone is paying for service but gets wrongly grassed up

on in an hour! 10-11-2008 11:05
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Originally Posted by David F (Post 34672332)
obviously they woudl not disconnect on just the strength of a phone call though ? I mean if someone is paying for service but gets wrongly grassed up
i dont know where they get their info david,but these cases are few and far between anyway,which may suggest they scrutinize the reported peoples acc first, (just guessing at that bit) but i would be loathe to disconnect a customer of mine if what they were paying me would justify leaving them connected.
its a catch22 situation in those circumstances i suppose.:(

TheDaddy 10-11-2008 13:36
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Originally Posted by Broadbandings http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
1 strike and you're out. There's no tolerance for this in the US, should be none here. People who use this kit should be sent to prison and their homes blacklisted from ever receiving cable

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Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34670606)
Not sure about putting dodgy STB owning scumbags in prison, but I like your point,its got teeth.
No me neither Toto heck we haven't even got the space to put violent offenders behinds bars


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