Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this.
However I've just seen my first VM anti pirate STB advert, at about 20:29 on Virgin 1, complete with free phone number to report dodgy boxes. Is this a new push by VM to try and get people to stop using the boxes (by making them aware of it being a crime), and by raising awareness of the number to call? I don't think I've ever seen a VM advert dodgy STB advert, or the number to call before. |
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BIIIIIIIGGGG push ;)
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Personally anybody who uses illegal boxes should be black listed for life from using any VM service.
Perhaps from using Sky. with the exception of a phone only service |
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I wonder if the advert is on youtube?
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Topic?I believe there is one somewhere in this thread.;)
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About bloody time
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I think we can talk about efforts being made to stop them. We just can't talk about how to get them/where to get them/what they are called
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You are allowed to talk about dodgy boxes. You are NOT allowed to discuss specifics of how to obtain services illegally, such as methods/codes used, or where to obtain the boxes. |
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Hopefully they'll ensure that any homes found using dubious equipment are disconnected, the cable serving the home cut or removed, and suitably flagged so that unless they demonstrably change ownership or rental status of the home they will not have cable repulled.
1 strike and you're out. There's no tolerance for this in the US, should be none here. People who use this kit should be sent to prison and their homes blacklisted from ever receiving cable. That said VM should also invest in a more robust encryption system with it. The present one doesn't cut in. Perhaps with the recent thaw in relations between them and News Corp / Sky they'll start using the same system as Sky :) |
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Yeh they are getting serious on dodgy boxes.
there will be letters sent to people who have been caught with them, also there will be a message that appears on there tv that says, that it is an unathorised box and to cease using it ! :) |
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They have been saying this since time began and its still hasnt done much good
still just as much as ever going on, ****es you off when you find information from such sites and you see them trading mac codes on YOUR ubr. |
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The message is a waste of time, they know they are getting goods for free, so seeing a message on a channel wont mean anything to them.. Just delete the channel its been attached to, & move on.. |
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To make a major change in the coding, they would have to replace the boxes, so the only coding changes likely are those which can be done by a firmware update or card reprogramming.
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http://www.nds.com/press_releases/Premiere_150408.html
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Premiere currently use Nagra albeit version 2 and I suspect their receivers will be more flexible than Virgin's ageing range but you never know. |
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What about dodgy modems then ? I find it very annoying that people are stealing bandwidth and forcing the paying users to have such a poor service in some parts !
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They don't do anything when you phone up anyway, I informed VM that a person was using 3 chipped STB's, they got back to me and said they are on the basic package and no information was coming back off the box to suggest otherwise. I have spoken to some installers over the last few months and they have said, as long as you are signed up to the basic package there's no way they can trace you, one installer said that there were people out there who were running chipped boxes and had been for the last 5 or so years.
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It was on of the Mods on here who ran the test Maggie, I gave him the house number and post code. Here's one reply I got back. Hi Nidge, ntl have got back to me and have told me that the customer is paying for all three services and has been doing for the last 3 years. Do the people you know about have an additional device that ntl don't know about? Thanks, |
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obviously they woudl not disconnect on just the strength of a phone call though ? I mean if someone is paying for service but gets wrongly grassed up |
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its a catch22 situation in those circumstances i suppose.:( |
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Mind you, you'd have to be pretty silly to call out an engineer if you're using a dodgy box instead of a legitimate one. |
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A major thing VM could start with is actually disconnecting all the addresses that have no contract with them that would chop a fair few of these dodgy boxes off for a start.
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What I mean, is if the person who may well be paying for a lower service, but using a dodgy box calls for an engineer due to a problem with say the line.
Not send the engineer out specially, but a note on the account to keep an eye out for signs that there has been any fiddling with the service if he's called out for a routine problem, and a note of exactly what is meant to be in use at the address (how many STB's etc). For example Knockoff Nigel (not just DVD's any more:p) has VM's 3 most basic services, but he's not very with it and has a dodgy box in addition to his normal one - he has a line problem that requires an engineer to be called out, but not being too bright he leaves it connected in one room with his modem (or leaves the splitter in place). The engineer calls round, and checks the levels on the lines* and having seen the "services" note logs the discrepency, and informs control when he gets back in case either the notes he got were wrong, or there is a theft of service. Of course if VM already do give engineers a note of the exact services it's redundant**, and I would hope that the engineers would already keep an eye open for dodgy connections to the grey box etc (in the same way meter readers are, I believe meant to note if the gas/electric meter shows any signs of being tampered with). *Something the better engineers seem to do for all the lines anyway whenever they deal with a signal problem on one (I guess in case that change affects the other lines). **I know in the past I've had the odd engineer out who wasn't aware that we had 3 STB's on our account when we've had to call them out, and assumed the third line was just for the cable modem. |
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So lets say a customer signs up for a basic package but swaps his box out for a dodgy one to receive all channels.
Surley VM can detect that the original box is no longer connected? It has a modem that has a mac address that will contact the servers for a IP address. If that box fails to connect over time then their should be a major clue. Am i right? |
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Not really. What happens if someone goes away on holiday for six months and turns the STB off? Should Virgin automatically assume something dodgy is going on?
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Well if Maggie Thatcher was still in charge, she would have sorted them out.;) |
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Let's not get too off topic please
I'm still not clear about this..Just what evidence does someone phoning VM on this new telephone number to report a dodgy illegal user have to provide for VM to be able to pursue the matter and gain a prosecution? |
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I think really there is little VM can do other than change their encryption system which would be financially prohibitive. IMHO the ads are merely to show willing to the shareholders. |
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There's no real deterrent there when the only risk is being cut off. Obvouisly this wouldnt be the case with all offenders but to have a blacklist accross the board would be more of a deterrent I think and be a more reasonable punishment for the crime in the first place. |
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So nobody has an answer? I'm wondering what constitutes proof when one considers that in the past the public have reported people doing this and VM have appeared to have done nothing and on some occasions have said there was not enough evidence.Surely they have to go on more than one persons 'hearsay' evidence? Oh and to the person who seemed to think that I don't support the idea of VM actually getting firm about this what I actually want is that such offenders are to be arrested,placed in the stocks and pelted with rotten food...or even better, with their dodgy chipped boxes.;) |
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My old grandmother, bless her, had a perfect cure for people who commited ANY crime - she would have people put to death for as much as dropping litter! Using illegal cables boxes would probably have brought back being hung drawn and quartered. :):)
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i have been given three addresses from the fraud department to check out following information received. All three are suspected of using illegal set top's and all are telephone only customers.So they'd better watch out cos i'm coming to get them:D
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How do you actually "check out" a customers address for illegal STB's? . |
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good ad that.
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Virgin seem to roll out their anti-piracy adds every year around this time. Are there are lot of dodgy boxed being given away as stocking fillers? Either way, I read an article recently saying that no individual user has ever been successfully prosecuted for using a chipped box, only the people who sell them have, so aren't ads like this just a silly waste of money?
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Sigh I bring nothing to this thread |
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Thing is, I'm not sure how proactive cable could have been when there 3 different networks and 3 different software platforms
Until they merged and became Virgin Media, neither ntl or telewest seemed to particularly interesting to co-ordinating things |
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Throw away the keys for these bunch of wossnames |
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lets face it, it will cost vm millions to change there encryption system and not to mention change all set top boxes, my view is they can't afford to do this because if the hack is closed alot of ppl paying subscription will move to sky, because lets face it sky tv is much better and is worth the mone so vm will lose out. One HD channel on the vm network whats that about??
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What VM don;t seem to want to do is to pay the licence for the new encryption :( |
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It also loses them money... Would you be happy if you owned a company and people where obtaining your services illegaly? This meaning that you're losing profit.
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VM don't make much profit on there TV service they probably make peanuts, however much of there profit is form there broadband and telephone service. The reason why I feel vm don't want to invest in a new encryption system is because they feel its not worth the money. |
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Its all part of the rat race i'm afraid, VM don't care about you they just want your money. |
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Right. And I bet you're surfing with a cloned modem as well.
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Thieving **** are fairly predictable.
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These are reasons why prices can be high. If people actually paid for the proper service, they'd be able to lower the prices a bit. I can't see it happening, but it could happen.
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Look who owns Sky... Infact, you could get all the channels for free with Sky. A couple of years ago, a mate of mine had something that gave him the full list of channels for free. So it's not that secure, is it?
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Nope, it was a Sky box. And, no. I don't have a dodgy box.
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Oh for goodness sakes will people please avail themselves of the ignore function..:rolleyes:
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Back on topic: I heard the cable pirates took a bit of a hit today. Have VM finally sorted their piracy problems, or will this just be another 2-3 day break, before new software patches are implemented like last time? Any of our resident pirates got any comments? |
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No doubt a patch will bought out within a day to fix it, just like last time. In the meantime, could you imagine the panic if they started rolling the keys, say, every hour.:D |
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Yeah the downtime was minimal on this one - according to the guy sitting opposite me at work this evening.
Same old situation, the boxes go down, he's talking half of the town through how to update them and they are all running by the evening news as he's on his way in here. If they really want to sort it, they really need to start pushing out a new system |
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How often do these keys get changed? And long does it take for these boxes to start working again?
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This meant that until someone produced a patch file, the dodgy boxes had to be updated manually every time the keys changed. I think it only took a couple of days until a fix was available. It looks like VM have used the same method again today. . |
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