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mertle 14-03-2012 12:40
Animal activists success stopping animal imports for research harming research
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17363257

apparantly many pulling out of transporting the animals.

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All ferry companies and all but two airlines have stopped importing animals destined for research laboratories.
This is harming the research of drugs its sad these creatures have to be used for tests but they sadly need to be nothing getting away from it. Long as they treat humanely then we should continue its unthinkable what we could do if we cant use animals. Would those against animals allow humans instead be the guinea pigs.

Without the breakthroughs we would not have cures or medicines to treat host of diseases which could be major population killer.

Sorry for those animal lovers on cableforum bringing up the subject.

jamiefrost 14-03-2012 12:48
Re: Animal activists success stopping animal imports for research harming research
 
Once again a minority view / activists pushing their own agenda and effecting everyone else. If it comes to it then the government should step in. Don't see what else can be done against these companies who have given in.

Mertle, don;t think this is anything to do with animal lovers at all. We have 3 cats who are loved but I wouldn't put any of them before my children.

mertle 14-03-2012 13:27
Re: Animal activists success stopping animal imports for research harming research
 
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Originally Posted by jamiefrost (Post 35399125)

Mertle, don;t think this is anything to do with animal lovers at all. We have 3 cats who are loved but I wouldn't put any of them before my children.
no it was not meant it was for bringing contentious subject that might make them squirm of the thought animals in labs thats all. Never intended to say all animal lovers are supporters of activist ortake part in such activity. I am animal lover who aint love monkeys but sadly realise these closest to man need to be used. The other side is to make sure it does not exterminate the species.

I agre there needs something done its sad fact they needed for this now I am against animals for beauty testing products.

jamiefrost 14-03-2012 13:34
Re: Animal activists success stopping animal imports for research harming research
 
Aah OK, yes it could make a few people squirm a bit.

Agree with the testing of beauty products, but as I understand it most of the testing has now stopped.

nomadking 14-03-2012 13:58
Re: Animal activists success stopping animal imports for research harming research
 
Testing of the main components of beauty products has already been done. That makes claims of not testing them, slightly bogus, as they are still using the benefits of previous research. If it was a new chemical being used, it would have to be tested.

Maggy 14-03-2012 15:43
Re: Animal activists success stopping animal imports for research harming research
 
Just as long as the testing that is done is done thoroughly as well as humanely.

I remember the results of not testing carefully with thalidomide and the damage inflicted on unborn children.

Alan Fry 14-03-2012 15:56
Re: Animal activists success stopping animal imports for research harming research
 
What those animal rights protestors (or thugs) do not realise is that is animal testing is the most humane way of finding cures, as long as it is done humanly. I have nothing against it

mertle 14-03-2012 16:07
Re: Animal activists success stopping animal imports for research harming research
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399273)
What those animal rights protestors (or thugs) do not realise is that is animal testing is the most humane way of finding cures, as long as it is done humanly. I have nothing against it
agreed the alternative is unthinkable no advancements in medicine or human earlier trials both not even right.

Wonder how many activist supporting this took medication which had been tested on animals.

Alan Fry 14-03-2012 16:11
Re: Animal activists success stopping animal imports for research harming research
 
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Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35399295)
agreed the alternative is unthinkable no advancements in medicine or human earlier trials both not even right.

Wonder how many activist supporting this took medication which had been tested on animals.
Then they will have to not take any medication thoughout their lives

mertle 14-03-2012 17:11
Re: Animal activists success stopping animal imports for research harming research
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35399307)
Then they will have to not take any medication thoughout their lives
indeed

wikki has nice link about all pro's to please please this not for the squeamish goes in great length.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing

Apparantly there is alternatives dont see how viable some are dont fancy being the test subject of PET.

Any volunteers anybody to be lab rat pays well

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Alternatives to animal testing

Main article: Alternatives to animal testing
Scientists and governments state that animal testing should cause as little suffering to animals as possible, and that animal tests should only be performed where necessary. The "three Rs"[100] are guiding principles for the use of animals in research in most countries:
  1. Replacement refers to the preferred use of non-animal methods over animal methods whenever it is possible to achieve the same scientific aim.
  2. Reduction refers to methods that enable researchers to obtain comparable levels of information from fewer animals, or to obtain more information from the same number of animals.
  3. Refinement refers to methods that alleviate or minimize potential pain, suffering or distress, and enhance animal welfare for the animals still used.[199]
Alternative methods include positron emission tomography (PET), which allows scanning of the human brain in vivo,[200] and comparative epidemiological studies of disease risk factors among human populations.[201] Several invertebrate systems are considered acceptable alternatives to animals in very early stage discovery screens.[202] Because of similarities between the innate immune system of insects and mammals, insects can replace mammals in certain types of studies. Drosophila melanogaster and the Galleria mellonella (waxworm) have been particularly important for analysis of virulence traits of mammalian pathogens.[203][204] Waxworms and other insects have also proven valuable for the identification of pharmaceutical compounds with favorable bioavailability.[205] The decision to adopt such models generally involves accepting a lower degree of biological similarity with mammals for significant gains in experimental throughput.
Although such principles have been welcomed as a step forwards by some animal welfare groups,[206] they have also been criticized as both outdated by current research,[207] and of little practical effect in improving animal welfare.[208]


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