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mertle 06-05-2012 21:31
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Another good guardian article how sakorsky got it wrong.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...arkozy-failure

Interesting he showed the same arrogance as cameron and osbourne but went much further.

Not ounce tact these people seems far far from reality what its like.

If you going to kick people who low incomes and struggling then you got to be seen doing doubly austerity yourself.

Think this why he gone if Cameron and Osbourne dont listen they will be gone too.

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Sunday's vote was a personal referendum on Sarkozy. At the start of his mandate, he was briefly the most popular president since Charles de Gaulle; then he plummeted to record lows for four years and festered there. Rejection of the "president of the rich" was not just about his ostentatious vaunting of money – celebrating his 2007 win at a flash restaurant with the nation's richest people and borrowing a millionaire's yacht when he had promised to retreat to a monastery. It was not just about unpresidential manners – sending text messages during an audience with the pope, saying "(swears here) off, you prat" to a man who refused to shake his hand at an agricultural fair or parading his first public date with Carla Bruni at Disneyland weeks after his high-profile divorce.

Hugh 07-05-2012 08:17
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You keep repeating Nadine Dorries' mantra re 'arrogance' and 'far from reality' ad nauseum to try and support your views, but like her, you just use sound bites rather than substantive arguments.

You, amusingly (and considering your views on politicians, somewhat hypocritically), are using Politicians Polemic 101 - have a viewpoint, state that viewpoint as fact rather than opinion, publicise anything slightly related to this view, and then repeat any time you can. For example, have Cameron or Osbourne done any of the things you mention above (election celebration, texting when with the Pope, etc), or are you just trying to taint/pillory them by faint association?

The old 'if you keep saying it long enough and often enough, people will think it must be true' approach.

By all means complain about their policies and why you think they are wrong (with hopefully some alternative proposals), but just resorting to tabloid polemic and personal attacks, often without substantiation IMHO, just brings a valuable and required discussion down to the level of name-calling.

Sirius 07-05-2012 08:51
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35424396)
You keep repeating Nadine Dorries mantra re 'arrogance' and 'far from reality' ad nauseum to try and support your views, but like her, you just use sound bites rather than substantive arguments.

You, amusingly (and considering your views on politicians, somewhat hypocritically), are using Politicians Polemic 101 - have a viewpoint, state that viewpoint as fact rather than opinion, publicise anything slightly related to this view, and then repeat any time you can. For example, have Cameron or Osbourne done any of the things you mention above (election celebration, texting when with the Pope, etc), or are you just trying to taint/pillory them by faint association?

The old 'if you keep saying it long enough and often enough, people will think it must be true' approach.

By all means complain about their policies and why you think they are wrong (with hopefully some alternative proposals), but just resorting to tabloid polemic and personal attacks, often without substantiation IMHO, just brings a valuable and required discussion down to the level of name-calling.
Or to put it another way Mertle's posts are almost the same as we see from the red top comics who some call newspapers.

Chris 07-05-2012 09:57
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France is screwed.

Hugh 07-05-2012 10:04
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And not in a good way....

Osem 07-05-2012 10:04
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35424423)
France is screwed.
Zut alors!

Sirius 07-05-2012 10:05
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35424423)
France is screwed.
Thats one way to put it :)

Derek 07-05-2012 10:34
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35424423)
France is screwed.
No it's not. The 75% + tax rates will be lapped up, lowering retirement ages will reduce unemployment and expanding the state from the 56% or so of the economy it already creates will create a socialist utopia just waiting to spread across the channel. :dozey:

Or maybe not. Interesting times ahead and yet more turmoil for the euro zone.

Damien 07-05-2012 10:47
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I doubt he will push ahead with the 75% tax rate.

Osem 07-05-2012 10:49
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35424450)
I doubt he will push ahead with the 75% tax rate.
You're not suggesting his promise might have been a load of balls then? ;)

martyh 07-05-2012 11:04
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35424314)
It'll be interesting to see how the markets react to this news even though it wasn't a huge surprise.

not very well according to this

http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16223344

If you take the French and Greek elections together then the Eurozone looks like it could be in trouble

Taf 07-05-2012 11:54
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It's not just France that is going to rock the boat, Greece has opened the door to some nasty types.

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A neo-Nazi party who advocate forcing immigrants into work camps and planting landmines along the border are today savouring unprecedented political success in Greece.

Golden Dawn party will enter parliament with seven per cent of the vote after the electorate shunned the main parties who they blame for plunging the nation into austerity.
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When asked what his first action in parliament would be, Mihaloliakos said: 'All the illegal immigration out! Out of my country, out of my home!'

Asked how he planned to carry that out, he angrily said: 'Use your imagination'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ork-camps.html

Sirius 07-05-2012 11:57
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35424456)

If you take the French and Greek elections together then the Eurozone looks like it could be in trouble
Excellent news :)

martyh 07-05-2012 12:28
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35424471)
It's not just France that is going to rock the boat, Greece has opened the door to some nasty types.





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ork-camps.html

mmmm ,extremist political parties taking control of governments in Europe during recession years ,let me think now when was the last time that happened ?

Sirius 07-05-2012 12:52
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35424486)
mmmm ,extremist political parties taking control of governments in Europe during recession years ,let me think now when was the last time that happened ?
And we now have the smallest army we have ever had to defend ourselves with :rolleyes:


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