[Updated] Hollande is new President of France
 

...as Le Pen scores 20%. :erm: Rather concerning result that.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/fren...ns-2012-france

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C'est la démocratie :shrug:

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Democracy simply doesn't work.

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Wonder if the Eurocrats are taking note of any of this or whether they'll just carry on regardless in their own deluded world... :rolleyes:

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If Hollande does win it'll have quite profound effects on the EU, as Alistair Heath notes.

http://www.cityam.com/latest-news/al...ll-our-futures

I'm personally struggling to see a downside to this, capital flight from France to the UK and a potential end to the attempts to integrate Europe further. Excellent.

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The Le Pen result isn't surprising. When 1st world and 3rd world are mixed as they have been issues were inevitable, and resentment was inevitable especially when people are admonished to see economic benefits to immigration but struggle to do so when statistics rate immigration as being basically economically neutral as the doors were thrown open too wide.

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Looks like the Germans might soon be in need of a new buddy. No doubt they've been considering the implications of a Sarkozy defeat for some time and weighing up their political and economic options.

For me the downside would be panic and knee jerk reactions by various governments affecting the markets etc. and all the fallout that would cause. If the lemming Eurocrats were to take heed of the inevitable and indulge in a fundamental and controlled review of the EU then all might not be lost.

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Hollande is projected to have won the French Presidential Election with 52% of the vote, ousting one term President Sarkozy.

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Excellent. Hopefully it'll cause incredible issues for the Euro and in turn the EU project and we can get some sanity and sovereignty back.

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Good at last we have got rid of that slippery slimeball.:tu:

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Not been watching this as its EU stuff but is this new guy for or against the EU ??

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He has promised to renegociate all EU bail-out plans.

My missus is singing and dancing all over the house... I think she's happy that Sarkonazi has been toppled.

I wonder if they'll return that plane he ordered?

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Hmm! It was close.Hollande got 51% and Sarkozy got 49%

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where does this leave cameron fabled partnership he signed with sarkosky. Dont see cameron be so cosy with Hollande lets not forgetting he ignored him when he went to france knowing elections close. Surely he would been diplomatic to meet Hollande.

I know going against grain of the worry but maybe he will take the banks on the extreme rich that maybe not bad thing. I think he will be good for france not for other countries that should be how it should be.


This closeness with merkel and sarkosky was to me bad for europe. I was actually suprised he got away with lot french still dont forget germans.

So suprised how close it was sakorsky played political harry carry.

I hope he has bottle go for those who really to blame and take on the witch at IMF the things they force is stupid.

We know who got the world in its mess seem the wrong people getting shafted for it.

I hope Hollande goes after them big style.

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And they had 80% turnout. bit surprised he conceded defeat so quickly when it was so close to.

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It'll be interesting to see how the markets react to this news even though it wasn't a huge surprise.

Can't see Merkle and Hollande getting on either - they seem poles apart when it comes to which financial medicine ought to be prescribed for the ailing EU.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...clash-eurozone

Interesting times ahead.

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Another good guardian article how sakorsky got it wrong.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...arkozy-failure

Interesting he showed the same arrogance as cameron and osbourne but went much further.

Not ounce tact these people seems far far from reality what its like.

If you going to kick people who low incomes and struggling then you got to be seen doing doubly austerity yourself.

Think this why he gone if Cameron and Osbourne dont listen they will be gone too.

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You keep repeating Nadine Dorries' mantra re 'arrogance' and 'far from reality' ad nauseum to try and support your views, but like her, you just use sound bites rather than substantive arguments.

You, amusingly (and considering your views on politicians, somewhat hypocritically), are using Politicians Polemic 101 - have a viewpoint, state that viewpoint as fact rather than opinion, publicise anything slightly related to this view, and then repeat any time you can. For example, have Cameron or Osbourne done any of the things you mention above (election celebration, texting when with the Pope, etc), or are you just trying to taint/pillory them by faint association?

The old 'if you keep saying it long enough and often enough, people will think it must be true' approach.

By all means complain about their policies and why you think they are wrong (with hopefully some alternative proposals), but just resorting to tabloid polemic and personal attacks, often without substantiation IMHO, just brings a valuable and required discussion down to the level of name-calling.

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Or to put it another way Mertle's posts are almost the same as we see from the red top comics who some call newspapers.

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France is screwed.

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And not in a good way....

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Zut alors!

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Thats one way to put it :)

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No it's not. The 75% + tax rates will be lapped up, lowering retirement ages will reduce unemployment and expanding the state from the 56% or so of the economy it already creates will create a socialist utopia just waiting to spread across the channel. :dozey:

Or maybe not. Interesting times ahead and yet more turmoil for the euro zone.

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I doubt he will push ahead with the 75% tax rate.

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You're not suggesting his promise might have been a load of balls then? ;)

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not very well according to this

http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16223344

If you take the French and Greek elections together then the Eurozone looks like it could be in trouble

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It's not just France that is going to rock the boat, Greece has opened the door to some nasty types.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ork-camps.html

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Excellent news :)

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mmmm ,extremist political parties taking control of governments in Europe during recession years ,let me think now when was the last time that happened ?

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And we now have the smallest army we have ever had to defend ourselves with :rolleyes:

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Doesn't matter we have strong allies in the US and France.............:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


I'll tell you what though the more this Euro fiasco plays out the more i am convinced we should follow Americas lead and keep out of European affairs as much as possible

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It's not excellent news that the Eurozone is in trouble, we live in Europe and do most of our trade with them. If they fail it hurts us!

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It is excellent news, because the Euro is the problem. The longer it lives, the longer the Eurozone will remain flat and uncompetitive, and as you point out, most of our trade is with that bloc so that affects us.

If the Euro crashes and burns it will be painful in the short term but for the long term it can only be good.

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Well you just know things must be really bad in France when this happens

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17980942

:D

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I wasn't taking about the single European currency, I was talking about the rise of political extremism or at least a departure from a more centrist view in France and Greece. While this may be good news for some peoples political ideologies this is unlikely to be good for their respective economies which is in turn bad for ours.

The eurozone may be broken but letting it crash and burn is not the best way to fix it.

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Fully agree, We need it to collapse and then we can start again as it should have been. We have countries trying to impose there ideoligy on others through the Euro and i for one want none of it.

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a few weeks old now or more :o: but just to bring to your attention that this guys a Gooner so expect self-sustainable :D

http://sport.direct8.fr/wp-content/u...AL-637x359.jpg

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There was I thinking Hollande was committed to the spend, spend, spend school of economics... :D

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I must say he is wearing that like a pro. The shirt/tie/football shirt combination is certainly new.

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Now that Hollande and the Socialists are in power in both parts of government. I hope they fix the last governments mistakes and make France better, along with helping save the Eurozone

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If that happened, then either the Left Front (Group of Far-Left Parties including Communists) or National Front will end up running France after 2017

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trainwreck.

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He's clearly been taking lessons from Miliband and Balls... :D