Traffic Management Changes - April 2nd
 

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...d/td-p/1119141

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So when the 200Mb comes out, that will be free from STM, giving us an incentive to move over to it.
Quite clever if i'm right. Saying that, that's not that often mind ;)

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I thought the 50Mb service has always had some sort of traffic management on it , or am I confusing that with something else?

I sure I got some sort of warning letter just after I subscribed to it ... ?

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seems people still get frequently confused on this.

VM run STM and protocol shaping, 2 types of traffic management.

The latter (protocol) is on all tiers during peak hours.
The former (STM) was on up/down on all tiers below 50mbit and on UP on 50meg.

STM affects all traffic and isnt protocol sensitive.

This announcement seems to squash the rumoured change which would have been to scrap protocol shaping and replace it with some sort of intelligent STM (comcast style).

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Thisn't the only change:

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I read that also, but it would be a very strange move to do this change and then another change (more major) soon after. Although knowing VM.....

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As long as the limits are reasonable, I am fine with it, so long as it means I can max out my connection more often at peak times and not suffer poor pings.

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So they are introducing STM on 50Mb and 100Mb what about the 120Mb, so that means once my speed has been increased from 50Mb to 100Mb that if I get STM'd I will still get 50Mb sounds good to me.

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OK just rang up and they said 100/120 mb will be 250gig before STM kicks in and then a 50% reduction in speed, and STM times will run from 10AM till 3PM, but he didn't know about the protocol shaping? And the upload will be 120gig before STM kicks in.....

Was going to leave but the changes seem fair enough to me, plus infinity has been put back 3 months in my area!!!!

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well you must be easily pleased then, cause it sounds proper (Mod Edit, please do not try to avoid the swear filter) to me
STM on 100mb, people will leave in there droves if there FTTC enabled

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250gig :D if you believe that, you'll believe anything

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Can't see how its possible to do 250 gig in 5 hours anyway and only did just under 200gig last month!

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Last week I did 30 gig in slightly over an hour on 50meg. OS Maps are kinda huge :)

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Might be time to get in contact with BT Infinity...

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I might just celebrate by extending my Astraweb subscription by a month!!!!!

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i cant get it yet, but tbh if i could get the 80/20 that will be rolled out soon, this new stm on 100mb might be enough to push me over to bt tbh, unless the stm is very high, say 40gb minimum

but i wouldn't be surprised it being 15-20gb tops

nothing short of a disgrace paying top, top dollar and having it restricted, going to 100mb and not worrying about stm was my main reason upgrading (and having the 10mb upload) :td:

if im gonna have to start watching what im downloading, i will probably drop down to 30/3 and download in the night like i did before

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250gig per day? that sounds very high actually, how long would it take to download 250gig with 100mbit speeds?

did he say upload STM limit?

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120gb between 10am and 3pm.

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even thats very high.

they gone from one extreme to the other.

with limits that high they may as well keep it STM free and avoid the bad PR.

ok so a 100mbit line can do 32tb a month which I calculated at a per hour rate of 44gig an hour.

for an unlimited service of course there really shouldnt be any of these games going on but knowing how hard VM are pushing their capacity then for this to be effective I would expect it to allow 2 hours max of full speed constant usage. which would be about 90gig of usage. and on upload about an hour of usage as thats much more congested so maybe about 4.5gig usage on upload STM for top tier. In short with these limits I dont know why they bothering.

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Nor me. I doubt the numbers are correct.

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If those numbers are correct, I bet its for a 28/monthly period. We shall soon see. If its correct, based on 28-day figure, it be a 170 gig reduction between those times.

I have a feeling its some confusion over the figures, however as isnt 250 gig a month figure the magical decremential use figure in peak times?

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Yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's actually per month..

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Removing unlimited downloads would be an extreme change which I think is very unlikely.

I think (and hope) the person that keepitretro spoke to just didn't know what they were talking about.

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They sounded like they knew what they were talking about! For a change.

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I am not too bothered about the usage limits but if it is going to be between 1000 and 1500 it is a flipping joke and shows the network isnt up to scratch and they shouldnt be doing the speed increases. I can understand 1600-2100 for peak time in the evenings but if you are going to implement stm all day (when most people are at work) and only be un-stm'd at night, that means the network cant handle the speed at all unless everyone is asleep and there are a hand full of people using it in the country.

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I'm on 50 meg, and i've recently noticed my connection being capped at 15 meg at peak times, it must be a recent thing because i've never noticed it before, have Virgin changed their policy without letting me know?

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The price of 100Mb is hardly top dollar take a look at leased lines now that top dollar, VM run a contented service so the bandwidth will be shared downloading anything I think 50Mb is more than enough and you seriously can't download that much everynight even streaming HD all night you wouldn't get STM'd as I am guessing the limits won't be that low.

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Who said they're "removing unlimited downloads"? :confused:

All tiers have always had un-limited downloads, just not unlimited speed; and it looks like this is to continue.

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Just a quick question if they are removing the 50meg unlimited downloads and sort of capping haven't they got to give us 28 days notice as it will be a change of our t&c's

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Hmm now I'm confused - I thought that's what the posts above mine were implying. Perhaps I'm wrong:

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You where wrong with mine one. I added the stm figures of 30mbit between the 2 times and added them.

Instead of a daily trigger it might be a monthly one where you go above that you be stmed between peak times for that month.

the 250 gig figure is what they could contact you if you go above this (depending on the utilisation in your area) for decremential use.

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Ah that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

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no problem. various adsl suppliers like enta, plusnet have a fixed limit during peak and then unlimited off-peak but they stm is much more restrictive (snails pace) than vm.

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i dont mind a 250gb monthly limit as long as any stm which is applied isnt 24hrs so I can still get full speed during the night.

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Neither do I. (Even less than that tbh) But saying that you expect to have a bandwidth monitor in myvirginmedia.com so I think they might have just changed the limits (maybe less than there are now since they have increased the percentage of stm'ed figure.

We will all find out on Monday what they are do.

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stm is a pain in the ass. I wish they would just give us the option to pay the un-discounted price of £35 and keep things as they are.

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Never gonna happen.

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Why not? I am not asking for anything new, i just want to keep what i have already got

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I dont think you get more than that out of any VM staff here, they dont seem to want to say anything outside of offical announcements.

Most likely reason is VM realised they couldnt handle un STM'd 100mbit and had a choice of STMing it or increasing prices to make it viable to pay for upgrades, the latter I suspect needed a price much higher than £35 a month.

Another possible reason is they felt takeup was too low which looked bad on shareholder reports so dropped the price to get higher takeup and in that instance they prefer to sell a more crippled product with the same headline speed (in fact will be higher headline speed) but with higher takeup due to the lower price. Government pushing may also have had an affect on this as ministers want more people on higher speeds.

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And your reason for that unwarranted little dig, I take it you received some minor form of pleasure from it.


If you expect us to release company confidential information at your beckon call let me tell you its NOT going to happen.

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no pleasure.

just you been paranoid.

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Excellent i am glad

Must go and take my medicine for paranoia, Some 15 year old Glenfiddich should do it.

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Nice to see Sirius agreeing with somebody....

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astraweb are doing a deal at the moment 1000gig for £30

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Given that they would probably lose their job if they did, I am quite happy for them not to.

So, just just mindless speculation from you then with no basis other than something against VM by the sound of it.

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if that is the case then I would like to see them do some form of bolt-on like for mobile phones where you can pay an extra £5 for another 50gb before you get stm'd or something.

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No matter what they do, they have to make sure it works correctly. I am on the 10mb, and at this precise moment I have shot well past their download limits. I have downloaded over 9gb since 9am, and my speeds are unaffected. Considering the download limits are 3gb between 9am and 3pm, and 1.5gb between 4pm and 9pm, at this moment I should be capped to 25% of my normal speed. The problem I have with Virgins STM, is that at precisely 9pm, my speeds will be capped. They dont get capped when I breach the 3gb or 1.5gb. All this downloading has been done using torrents, so the protocol shaping doesnt work.

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You know this is about their cable broadband services, right? :confused:

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the bit before the bold says "like"

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If they are going to move to a monthly stm cap, and the information available on these forums seems to suggest that is the case, then they really do need to provide a server-side based bandwith monitor.

However until theres official statements, its just speculation.

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Yeah cause he wants boltons like you get on the mobile network for extra data limits. Not sure how its confusing.

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:o:

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Eh...........:confused:

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no, I want to pay £5 a month so I can download 50gb through my mobile phone :banghead:

So lets review the conversation for those of us who cant keep up:


Sooooooo, given that I can't keep my current 100mbit service as it is and Chrysalis has suggested that it would cost significantly more than what I currently pay, I used an analogy of an already implemented service being used on another technology (mobile phones :spin: ) to provide an example of how VM can implement a graduated price plan to off set the additional expense for those customers who want an stm free service.

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where did I say it wasnt speculation?

I buy services of VM I dont have to like them.

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And you're so perfect you never make mistakes or mis-understand anything? :rolleyes:

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I don't generally buy anything from a company I don't like. I assume you don't have any choice where you live?

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They are not moving to a monthly STM cap

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Where is the official new STM today ? There is nothing on it yet.

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The day isn't over yet

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Maybe they can't decided yet because if the STM is pretty worse than the old one, and if Sky bring FTTC 80/20 with totally UNLIMITED and no FUP and no cap, then I think more peoples will be leaving Virgin Media to join Sky Broadband but I think Virgin Media had to be careful not to lose too many customers once Sky FTTC launching soon this month.

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Except it's not, for most people

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I bet lower 30 Meg will be worse off on STM then the higher one 120 Meg.

I hope 30 Meg will allow 10Gb per day or 310Gb per month before it kick in STM with 50% reduce in speed from 30 to 15 Meg ?

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New management policy is now live at www.virginmedia.com/traffic

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Its not as bad as I thought.


The only niggle I have is waiting for double speed (from october mine apparantly is). As soon as you have double speed your quota gets doubled. Like the way it only halves though.


(XXL 50 is 10 gig daytime , 5 gig 4-9 )
(XXL 100 is 20 gig daytime , 10 gig 4-9 )

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Was there any need to do that?

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Its what trolls do

I have no issue with the new STM

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New STM isn't that bad at all. But, will they restrict on BBCi player, Skygo, YouTubes, Skype video chat ?

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So, going from 20Mb to 60Mb (as per the planned upgrades) means that the peak time download limit goes from 3500MB to 5000MB. Proportionately that's a lot worse. Though I guess the 50% reduction still gives more than 20Mb was to start with.

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The way the management works hasn't changed

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A bit confused. I'm on 10MB (though I only get about 3MB) . I won't be "upgraded" until October 2012 - July 2013.

Therefore this doesn't affect me

right?

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Correct. The management on M 10, L 10 and XL 20 hasn't changed

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Thanks

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Just as well my area is due to be upgraded this month to 100mb. I feel sorry for those on 50mb that's going to have a long wait.

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Mines due March/April (I presume it's now April ;)) but as I download everything about 7-9am It's not going to be an issue on the current 50Mb

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hi
i am new to this traffic management, i download between 6.30am to 9am is this counted in some way

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So let me get this right!!!

I'm XXL100 (soon to be 120)

Between 10am-3pm i can download (20000MB) just shy of 20GB (20480MB)
Between 4pm-9pm i can download (10000MB) just shy of 10GB (10240MB)

Luckily this is a family forum so i cant express how i really feel!

Thankfully BT infinity is in my area, and the new box is only 30meters from my house!

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You can download more than that, but at up to 50Mbit rather than up to 100Mbit

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sorry forgot to mention i just be upgraded on double speed to 60meg

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Management doesn't start until 10am

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i cannot see the new traffic management affecting me, if thats the case

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So that's 30GB a day or close to 1TB a month in what most ISPs would class as peak times before there is any restriction. If you do exceed that then the restriction is to reduce your speed to 50Mbps which is still faster than most other ISPs can deliver.

To my mind it's a very generous allowance. Far too generous IMO as if more than a tiny proportion of the customers in an area use that amount on a regular basis it will way exceed the local capacity.

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I would prefer a monthly limit, why should I be penalised for 5hrs if i download a couple HD rips. When i was on 20mb it was not the reduction in speed but the affect it had on ping for online gaming!

(yeah i'm not going to lie about why i have 100mb, 90% of 100mb will be doing the same. no point saying its just for downloading linux distro's from newsgroups ;)

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Not sure why for 100Mb it states the upgraded upload speed as 10Mb? Surely it would be 12Mb when it moves to 120Mb eventually?

Also, why is the standard upload speed for the independant 100Mb tier N/A? when the standards 10Mb?

Confused.

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don't think upload won't be 12Mb now. Staying at 10Mb.

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It's already been metioned about the table over on the Community Forum and I've fed it back.

It was done like that because the 'full' 100Mbit tier has only has one upstream speed, where the others have had/got two depending on how you've got it as part of the upgrade.

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Virgin Media should get a new package eg: 80/20 to match BT FTTC (wishful thinking)

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When the speed gets doubled, what's the difference between XL and ML20?

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about 40Mbit as XL will be 60Mbit ;)

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You just have to ask yourself, whats the point?

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Sorry, I meant to ask, when speeds are doubled what will Size:L be called?

XL or ML20?

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It'll be L (up to 20Mbit) on the bill I believe. But in the table it's ML20 as M and L are being merged into the same tier

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So the virgin website shows me as being on the new super duper doubled speed but its still 100 meg not the 120 meg it should be. They say thats a problem with the website but have not fixed it yet, :mad:.

So who wants to bet they still give me the new traffic management even when they have not given me the 120 meg :mad:

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120Mbit hasn't launched yet - that's later this year

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So later this year for the traffic management for existing 100 meg users then is it ??, Because that's my upgrade to super duper speed and they say this traffic management does not hit you till you are upgraded, i hope i don't get the new traffic management now because that means there pulling a fast one YET AGAIN.

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Traffic Management on 50 and 100Mbit does apply now. Virgin have never sold either as being a guaranteed unmanaged connection

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So does the new traffic management affect those that have NOT been upgraded ?

So why will i be hit now when my upgrade has not happened yet ??

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Its there now...

http://help.virginmedia.com/system/s...E=Cable#double

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Yes

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Then the rest is " Whats the chuffing point" i think you will get the rest from that :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: