Sky starting customer trials of IPv6
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Urgh. I still hate IPv6.
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Enthralling. Hopefully their trials of not leeching off BT's copper to supply obsolete, slow ADSL as a freebie with their overpriced TV will proceed apace too.
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It's about as relevant as IPv6 is to most people for right now.
For those worried about the Internet suddenly not working if there's no IPv6 support don't worry - Virgin trials won't be that far away now, they have been working at it and there are IPv6-ready components across core, transport and access network. |
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Also, EUI-64. Urgh. |
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The only way to remember more addresses on IPv4 is to come up with some sort of system (i.e. server 01 is 123.123.123.101, server 02 is 123.123.123.102, etc.) and you can do that on IPv6 just as easily. Most of the IPv6 address is going to be the same on your entire network, so it's just the last part you have to "Remember" and if you use DHCPv6 then you have complete control over it. As I said though, DNS is a far better way of doing it. |
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Any ISP that wants to carry on trading will have plans in place to upgrade, so no point in us worrying. |
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It's not like I type in the IP address for GMail for fun every time I visit... And no, I don't agree you can do that on IPv6 just as easily. Dealing with something like 2001::3fa5:7b:7b:7b:cf 2001::3fa5:7b:7b:7b:d0 2001::3fa5:7b:7b:7b:da really just isn't as comprehensible as 123.123.123.207 123.123.123.208 123.123.123.218 Want 123.123.123.101 as a block of 512 addresses on IPv4? That'll be 123.123.122.0/23 (to 123.123.123.255). Want 123.123.123.101 as a block of 512 addresses on IPv6? That'll be 2001::abcd:7b:7b:7b:0/119 (to 2001::abcd:7b:7b:7b:1ff). Yeah, "just as easy". Sure, you could type 2001::abcd:123:123:123:101 but the computer would take that to mean 291.291.291.257. Great for if you want to do easily memorable IPv4 to IPv6 remapping... Maybe we should just teach all kids to think in hexadecimal in primary school... |
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I'd say if your DNS is broken, you've got much bigger issues as that'll break a lot more stuff. Unless your entire network is configured to use static IP addresses for everything.
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2001:0000:3fa5:7B::1 2001:0000:3fa5:7B::2 2001:0000:3fa5:7B::3 etc. all the way up to... 2001:0000:3fa5:7B::ffff That's not hard, surely? I get that IPv6 autoconfig makes for completely unmemorable addresses but like with any infrastructure, you probably don't care about most end points and just want your servers to be static anyway. And about the subnetting 512 addresses...well why bother? Take advantage of IPv6's stupid amounts of addresses and subnet it in a way that makes it even easier to remember: 2001:0000:3fa5:7B:1:1 2001:0000:3fa5:7B:2:1 2001:0000:3fa5:7B:3:1 Don't treat IPv6 like IPv4 and you'll find it's probably easier to work with. |
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Editing your hosts file takes twice as long each time (as does everything else involving an IP address) because you have to type twice as many letters (not to mention, dots can be entered on the numpad, colons can't). Quote:
Maybe because I'm just too used to 8-bit decimal math but I find 64+63 easier than adding 16383 + 16384. |
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Is that really a massive issue? Really? That you have to copy/paste a slightly longer address? Hell if you're doing that a lot, you're just going to comment one out anyway. Besides, what happened to testing sites on Test domains? https://beta.mysite.com works just as well. Quote:
And hey, if you have a problem with 2001:0000:3fa5:7B::3, then why not 2001:0000:3fa5:7B:7B::3 or 2001:0000:3fa5:7B:7B:7B:3. You can have something like this - 2001:0000:3fa5:7B:1::3 // Servers 2001:0000:3fa5:7B:2::3 // VoIP 2001:0000:3fa5:7B:A::3 // Desktops // etc. You know, if you want. It's easy. |
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Meanwhile I'll continue to dislike IPv6 just as much as I dislike ATM or IPSec or salt and vinegar crisps regardless of whether you agree with my reasons or not. |
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I mean think about what you're saying, wasting billions of addresses but you're only wasting billions of addresses within the scope of your network. Unless you expect your network to have to support a few billion devices in the next few years, it's really a non-issue. You've been assigned those addresses via that scope, they've already been "wasted" by the ISP. Quote:
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