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Again today announced on tv news, The amount of unemployed has risen again, and youth's out of work has risen also.

When is this government going to learn that more and more people are going to lose there jobs, due to the financial problems of this country, the cuts that is being made is causing this problem.

Also the CCCS has stated that due to the clampdown of stagnant wages, more and more people are getting into debt problems, as they can no longer afford to pay there debts due to wages freezes, everything is going up BUT wages.

And its no good saying 'oh look at the problems caused by the previous government' The present government made drastic cutbacks as soon as they got into power.

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The government have to make cuts due to the stupidity of Gordon Brown.

Not making cuts is no longer an option.

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Maybe the olympics will cheer everybody up a bit.

I think Mr Cameron will come up with a really good idea to cheer everyone up a bit sooner than that though.

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Why should we make cuts when the rich and major businesses caused this crisis and they evade 10s of billion worth of tax each year?

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Looking at the tracker cant understand how the government claim slowing feb 11 compared to feb 12 its worse in feb 12. Its the best way comparing as you then eliminate seasonal changes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117


there another thought though austerity aimed at the wrong section of the country. That less money in peoples pockets on household combined wages less 42,000 as example will stagnate the economy send it very quickly into recession.

Without people spending less tax is generated we actually harm the aim to take on the debt.

People who struggling badly will then send us into another credit crunch you can only tighten belts so far. Once you money dont fund your core living standards then loans sought to keep going hense news CCCS.

The debt is basically being shoved onto individuals not the government ala redistribution but this got us credit crunch not long back. They want businesse to get a loan we just seen what happens with premier foods is into its eyeballs with 1bn cant pay it.

Quantive easing will cause more issues too and sadly trying to keep interest at 0.5% is another issue.

There is idea banks would hate it

Unemployment issue massive burden we should do more to create jobs. The banks should offer interest free loans to small/medium businesses for job creation with very favourable monthly repayments that business can afford. That way we would see job market pick up. It would create tax four the country better more people able to spend. We also with the safety net raise minimum wage encourage businesses raise wages.

Squeezing wages is not the answer to the problems it just slitting the throat of the country.

Public sector needs streamling how it spends thats reduction of top earners pay. You only got look the councils see top earners around 150k which in this climate criminal. The way they waist paying for goods tied to shocking contracts for supplies. I know they paid way over odds for computer equipement £6,000 a piece. That was neede to be sorted out. A leaner more efficient public sector then could possibly kept many services and frontline jobs. Those then would not been unemployed.

Its how they tackled the problem its been completely about faced.

Make the banks pay better structured public sector chase the cheats defrauders of tax changed tax rules to close loopholes. Kept people in work encourage private sector employ workers.

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sadly fearing the oposite when the bill comes in to collect it will be one big bombshell waiting to hurt us more.

Supose bonus we will see some employment surge while its on can this event make a profit for the country in terms what its going to cost. I am wishing we could call IOC ask them to take it away as the country cant afford it.

Estimates you will rake in around $135-$335m in revenue considering the outlay of billions it wont make a profit. The more our spending blooms all the rubbish being spoken on budget its already gone beyond 2 estimates.

That money could been re-invested to help cussion the country unemployed. Just wish france would won it how bad did greek olympics took them into bad debt.

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Don't ruin this thread as well Alan.

I agree that the stupid decisions made by the previous Government are now coming back to bite us well and truly on the arse

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Well it looks like this government will also be making stupid decisions as well and we are the people who will suffer becuase of it

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I think you will find that poor people borrowing money that they can't afford to pay back is what caused the current crisis in the economy.

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It was not helped with all the risky financial trading that the rich and major businesses did, along with the free make system that make the rich better off and the rest of us worse off

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Let's not get the issue confused here. The credit crunch happened specifically because of defaults on sub prime loans. People borrowed what they could not afford and then defaulted. Therefore your assertion is wrong.

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You cannot deny that thing were made much worse by the fact the rich and major businesses let money to those types of people and then did risky financial trades with them. The economic system set up by the rich made things worse as well

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It will be one big bombshell if there's any terrorist involvement with the olympics.

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Surly not with the huge security at the games?

Then again anything could happen...

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If they want to do it then they will. it's an opportunity they won't want to miss. especially as it's being held in the UK. and London of all places.

anyway, that's another topic really.

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Alan ,rich people do not lend money ,banks and finance companies lend money .Yes questions should be asked as to why the sub prime market was allowed to get so uncontrollable but in the end it was the people borrowing the money who defaulted .You can't keep blaming "rich people" and "major businesses" for the worlds ills.Quite a lot of the problem was ordinary people wanting things like houses and cars that they never had any chance of affording

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It is the lenders fault? Where is the individuals responsibility in your world? The borrower should make sure that s/he can repay what they borrow. It is sad that there are way too many people in society that think like you and simply try to pass the buck and are unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions.

The reality of the situation is this. Small businesses rely on a certain amount of credit to fund working capital requirements. This funding allows them to operate and hence employ people. This funding was withdrawn post credit crunch because people had borrowed what they could not afford, defaulted and therefore taken money away from the banks leaving the banks in a position to not to be able to lend to credit worthy people. This is in fact a major contributor to today's unemployment levels.

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The reason they cannot afford it is becuase wages have not be rising fast enough because of a decline in union power (along with high unemployment) which the rich and major businesses have also done

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So you agree that the rich and major businesses are not doing what is in interest for most of us?

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Unemployment is rising because the Coalition is quite rightly killing off many of the public sector non-jobs Gordon Brown and Nu-Liebour invented when it looked like the country had money to burn.

However, the rate at which unemployment is rising has reduced, and has reduced by more than expected. This is because more private sector employers are taking people on. As the economy recovers, more private sector jobs will be created. These jobs, unlike the public sector, actually create wealth. This is good for the economy.

The UK is well and truly sick and the medicine tastes horrible. But it is working.

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Alan that is complete rubbish .All this lending and borrowing took place in the boom times when work was plentiful and wages where high ,so explain that .Quite simply people thought they could afford to borrow more than they could ,they used cheap credit deals like buy now pay later ,and when the reality of actually paying it back 12 months down the line set in they rapidly realised they couldn't afford it and so defaulted .It had nothing to do with unions or rich people or major businesses .

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Where in my post did I say that? Please stick to what I actually said.

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The figures could have been worse. but they put those that they've sent on work placements and courses down on the found work register.

then when they've finished the work placement or course they were on, they go back on the unemployed figures. which get changed by the fresh ones that have come off the unemployed figures to replace them.

so in actual fact the unemployed figures would be many thousands more if they still counted the unemployed as unemployed.

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The government is cutting more than just "non-jobs" and does not realise the growth, not spending cuts will fix the economy. We have kept the same failed economic system and we need to reform it. The government also needs to invest into the economy to kick start the growth of the private sector as well

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Wages for most of us were not rising as fast as the rich were hence the rise in wealth inequality, so it had to do with the economic system and the way the rich and major businesses (banks) made risky loans and did risky deals

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Growth is to be found in the private sector, not the public. Cutting back the public sector by in some cases forcing workers out and into private sector work is in the long term better for the economy. It's a structural change that is painful but necessary.

Governments should presume to 'invest' in the economy in only the most limited of circumstances. Wherever possible, this should be the responsibility of the private sector, which inevitably makes more efficient use of capital than any public sector institution.

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We need to create more decent jobs, not moving people to diffrent jobs, the only thing that is long term better for the economy is if the system is radically reformed

The only people with a lot of capital is the rich and the government need to take it from them and invest it into the economy, mainly becuase the banks are not doing that

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So what happens when all the rich people are poor because the government have taken it from them ?
what happens when the rich people up sticks and move to another country to stop the government taking their money off them

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And in 10 years we'll all have our own tractor and a share in the collective farm. :rolleyes:

It doesn't work, Alan. Planned economies do not work. Governments are useless at efficient deployment of capital. For proof, see the USSR, circa 1917-1991.

Capitalism is not perfect but it's the best we have.

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Like I have said on many times, if the rich try and leave, there will have nowere to go

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I am not calling for planned economy, but for the government to invest into the economy to kick start growth from the private sector

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As the people who are sent on work placements etc are still on JSA adn are still expected to look for work, won't they still be in the unemployment figures as claiming benefit?

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You are calling for the government to take capital out of the hands of those who would otherwise be able to decide for themselves how best to spend it, and to instead spend it on government-approved projects. That is the essence of a planned economy, Alan - business 'encouraged' to grow where a government thinks it should grow rather than where the normal principle of investment and return would otherwise encourage it to grow.

Governments are hopeless at spending our money. It costs a small fortune for them simply to collect and distribute it using a workforce that delivers measurably poorer productivity whilst continuing to demand longer holidays and gilt-edged pensions and taking the definition of 'off sick' to in some cases ridiculous extremes.

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How are you going to stop them ,lock them up in a prison .Honestly Alan you seriously deranged .

You are an out and left wing socialist ,you believe that the state should provide us with everything from jobs to welfare ,everthing should be under state control and rich people have everything taken from them ,
You my friend will be the first one against the wall come the real revolution

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I meant do a crackdown on tax evasion and advoidance bost past and present, this "investment" would be mainly transport projects and the setting up of a development bank to lend to businesses

So really it the government doing private sector style investment

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No. that's the whole point of it. they get paid by the provider. like a4e/pertemps or whoever they are. it's dole money really but being paid by them now. the dole will pay the 'worker' about £1 a week just to keep their claim open.

so for the purpose of unemployment figures. these people are not registered as unemployed now.
so you can add how ever many thousands are on whatever course to make the true figures of unemployment.

a lot of people don't know this. they probably think everything's honky dory :)

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Any nation that accept them well be as well liked as the country that is guy leads

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/38.jpg

I do not beleve in that everything should be in 100% control or communism, but a reform of capitalism, where it benefits us, not the rich and it would be for starters it would be a mixed economy with state run companies and co-operatives

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What about the figures for the numer of people without decent jobs?

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I haven't got them figures on me at the moment. Jill will have them but she's with a client :)

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I wonder who that client is? :D

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No alan ,any country that accepts all the rich people leaving this country to stop you getting your grubby little mits on their money will be loaded ,and therefore will be everybodies friend

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Any nation that accepts tax exiles (the rich) would face sancions, boycotts, widrawal of dimplomatic relations and even the funding of anti-government gorups in those nations

In othere words a global "Pariah"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pariah

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However, back on the plane of existence we actually exist on.....

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People appear to be confusing Unemployment numbers with JSA claimant numbers....

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/la...claimant-count

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I don't understand your point Hugh?

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Unemployed figures are totally different to claimant figures.

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Still don't get it really, but it doesn't matter.

whatever figures they're on it's still not a true number because of them not being counted when on a course.

so whatever list and count that the unemployed people that are on these courses there is. they're discounted/hidden from it.

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The most important figure is how many people are not in decent jobs

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Is that like working in McD's or a job with a decent wage?

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A job with a decent wage

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How much (in £'s shillings and pence)is a decent wage according to you

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Enough to have a comfortable lifestyle on!

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How much in actual figures, rather than non-specific generalisations, please?

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I'm paying the price for not working for 3 years because of looking after a relative who was ill. As soon as I got back into a job, I tore cartilage and ligament in my knee which has meant I now cannot do warehouse work again. I've applied for every job going, but with a big 3 year gap for when I looked after my relative I am getting nowhere.

I'd settle for a job that pays just over minimum wage.

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It depends on where you live, for example how high house prices and rail fares etc

The money to live a comfortable lifestyle on is higher in London and the Southeast than lets say the Northeast of England

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Even those types of jobs are in short supply :(

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That doesn't really answer the question

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I don't live in other places in the UK, so I don't' know what the prices in those arreas are, but lets take how much you have to earn to afford a morgage for example

Where I live you need to be a rather high earner

I would let workersa themselfs deside how much they need to earn to have a comfortable lifestyle and how they are going to get it

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No l am still waiting for mine.:)

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How do you know your definition of 'comfortable living' is universal?

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I mean, how much do you have to earn before you have enought money to afford a comfortable lifestyle

What would it be for you?

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What is a comfortable lifestyle though? Does it include car ownership? What kind of car? Does it include eating out? Does it include huge tv in the lounge?

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In the words of Jeremy Paxman - just answer the question, Alan...

Where you live, how much would people need to earn, after tax, to be 'comfortable'?

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£432 per week?

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l wish.:)

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What would it be for you?

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So you want be ask 60 million people (along with a lot of illegal immigrants) how much would they need to earn to have a comfortable lifestyle

I would also need to know the prices and other goods they buy as well, along with tranport costs, fuul bills and etc

How will I get all that info from that many people and people in hiding from the law?

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Perhaps we will have to wait till 2020 for you to actually give us a answer to the question Hugh and others asked.

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Alan - no, I am asking you for the area you live in....

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But it will be different depending on the area you live in, and the lifestyle you're accustomed to.

how much do you need so we can compare it to Alan's?

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You mean Hampsted?

That will mean I will have to ask people like this couple

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/35.jpg

Her husband is very keen on her privacy and even she is not exactly going to give info on what she buys at the local shop to a stranger is she :D

What I do know is that are worth £120 Million

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Strange how you can't spell where you allegedly live......-;)

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House prices have sharply risen since I bought a house there, sory about the spelling mistake

But you can see how hard my job would be asking people how much you need to earn to get a comfortable lifestyle, but I would think they would earn more than enough

By the way are you close personal friends with Charles Saatchi? :D

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Alan, what you need to understand is that living comfortably is not earning a wage to be able to have everything you want but being able to actually meet your needs from what you do earn.

Maybe you are very well off or from a wealthy family so haven't seen the realities of life but the truth is, and any introductory micro economics book will confirm this, that there are only finite resources for infinite wants. People have to make do. Not just now or since the recession but since forever. Its how people have always lived.

I'm sorry but your assertions in this thread have been ridiculous.

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My family cosists of Middle Class people from India (My parents), but me and my family have a rather humble background, unlike this person

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and for god sake I have seen realities of life (unlike a lot of CF users)

It is about time more people got a decent salary (enough for a comfotable lifestyle), capitalism and democracy is not working and needs reform, yes there is finite resources, but more of it should be with us and not the rich, business and poltical elite

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I blame the outmoded political and economic system........

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You were right :LOL:

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You do realise that when /if you ever have children (god forbid) they will come from the same sort of back ground as all the wealthy people that you insist are the spawn of the devil

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I do have children and hopefully grandchildren, Paris Hilton is a great grand-daughter of the person who made the family rich

I am not a rich person, but a fairly well off person, while the Hiltons are worth billions

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non-specific answers rears its ugly head again....

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The problem is that in order to generate growth you need to have lots of workers.

Unfortunately,firms cannot afford to employ enough workers firstly because workers cost too much and secondly because managers have been overpaid disproportionately since 1997 at least.

The result is that though workers are better paid there are fewer of them and they have to work a lot harder to maintain output and growth.

What we need to is to redress the pay balance so that outgoings are reduced and wealth is more equally distributed thereby allowing firms to employ the maximum number of workers it can afford on a reasonable wage and reduce the workload on each worker to a less stressful but more productive level.

Having high wages is not much good if you also have high prices and a stressful work-style to go with it.

Given the state of our overpriced economy and the various black holes in government funds especially pensions, we as a nation need to be looking at ways to make the cost of government, industry and commerce a lot less.

China got all the work by having the cheapest costs. Workers need to realize that it is better to be paid a moderate wage and have a job than to demand a higher wage and have no job. Even the banks are getting rid of staff now, all in pursuit of profits.

Unemployment will continue to rise because as costs rise fewer workers can be employed and currently there is no cohesive plan involving government, employers, unions and workers to drive down costs in a systematic manner which also protects the most vulnerable in society.

What we need from government and the heads of industry and commerce is leadership by example but sadly this has been lacking.Before long, there will be insufficient people working and then the leaders will not be able to pay themselves the big salaries, pensions and bonuses they do at present because the money will just not be there. Worse, all the unemployed will be looking round for someone to blame and we all know where the fingers will be pointed.

It's time for some action now before it is too late.

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You don't know if you have grandchildren? ;)

On a more serious note, what do you mean by 'fairly well off', please - capital assets, properties, salary levels, or what?

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Personally i can't decide if he's one of these wealthy people that need their wealth re-distributing or if he's full of it

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You make some goods points, but we need to instead set up global labour and wages standards and stronger unions, we should also crackdown on tax evasion and ad voidance both past and present. We might have to also increase taxes or create new ones, we need to reorganise the economy so that businesses have monopolies and are either state owned or comparatives, we also need to increase government spend and for them to invest into the economy, they also need to set up a development bank; we also need to have radical reforms of our political, economic and social system and we need a global government that will be prepaired to do what is right for its people and that’s just the start

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And whilst we are at it, why don't we invent a hyperdrive/wormhole technology to help us colonise the galaxies, and introduce immortality for everyone?

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oh lawdy lawdy Alan you've finally cracked

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He's doing that next Tuesday

I find it strange that someone who wants to increase the wealth of the lower paid plans to create or raise taxes .I also think it strange that someone who thinks that big businesses have too much money wants to create monopolies

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I do not care how big or small the company is, just as long as they care more about making money

We need to raise taxes to fix the fianancial mess

The only crackpots on Cf are people who defend a failed social, poltical and economic system :D

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I don't have any grandchild yet, but I might have some soon, when I mean fairly well of, I mean, not too rich and not too poor unlike this guy

http://stadium-arcadium.com/images/r...ach-estate.jpg

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Why is it that we blame the previous government on what is happening today, the Coalition is running this country, who is digging the knife into the country and making severe cutbacks, who is cutting the armed services, police services etc.

Its David Cameron and Clegg, they are allowing the rich to swallow up freebess handed out for the coalition.

Is it the unemployed fault that they are told they no longer have jobs, as we have simply run out of work, as contracts are going to foriegn companies.

There are many companies gone abroad due to the taxes in this country, VM for example have switched the customer service office to Manilla (where that is l don't know) and l should know as l spoke to them the other night.

This country has to find work for the unemployed, and at the moment they don't give a monkey's, when the summer comes the government will closed down for ywo months and go abroad, what will the unemployed do - nothing.

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because the coalition have to do what they are doing because of the actions of the previous government ,this has been explained to you on many occasions Arthur

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Well in that case, there won't be anything left to save, and it saddens me that there are members on this forum that are prepared to sit back and let this coalition rip the country to shreds.

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But can that be said about everything and every cut they make from the start till the end?

are we saying to ourselves "oh well they have to do it because of the previous government"?

are they assuming we're thinking that as well?

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I agree with Arthur.
and that's because I'm not wooly and I don't go baaaa! :)

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If the current Government changes something the last one did, then naturally they can say they are changing it because the last government did it and the last government was wrong.

The polls put Labour about 5 points ahead at the moment, which is fairly typical for an opposition party in mid-term. More telling is last week's Sunday Times poll that put Cameron's approval rating at -9, and Millipede's at -38. The personalities of the party leaders will come into play far more when there's an actual election on rather than just polls.

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Manilla is the Capital of the Phillipines

The mess we are in has been caused by mainstream parties, the rich and major businesses, until we deal with it, things are not going to get better for us and even worse for our young people, remember they hardly know what Communism is like, nor what life was like Pre-Thatcher, when they look at Capitalism and Democracy, they would look and say

"What the point, it not like we are benefiting from it, unlike this guy"

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/32.jpg

So they will be looking for an alternative, and I think it will be someone even worse than me, like these people

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/33.jpg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/1.jpeg

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/34.jpg

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Well acording to Mervin King (not exatly a lefte), he said that whoever won the 2010 election would be "out of power for a generation", This means that the Tories and Lib Dems will do badly, but who will the voters pick (they are not very keen on Labour)?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...lection-victor

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I invoke Godwin's law. Game, set and match. :D

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will he be seizing power ? ;)

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well got to give credit to cameron he divided us all so he can conquor while the infighting ensues. Then again is skill been learned over the years honed what thatcher showed.

The art political war to segment people into sectors get each sector to get bickering at each otherso they show little remorse when one sector is attacked.

Who ever wrote the lord of the flies was spot on this country prime example now of this.

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Which is why all the Anti-Cameron groups should come together and get this government out by any means

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Careful, Alan - you are perilously close to slipping into Twitter mode.

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It doesn't make any sense though - if people actually DID what Alan suggested in his twitter he'd be one of the first up against the wall.

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Meanwhile ,Labour have an idea :idea: They are going to force people to work on threat of removing benefits if they get sacked,leave or refuse,they are also going to pay companies enough money to cover 25hrs work ,

why does this sound familiar :scratch:

http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16190046

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I meant, for example next time there is an election vote anyone but Tory and Lib Dem (or Labour if you must), Tory votes are better off voting UKIP for example

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I've been saying that for a while now ,all i can suggest is that Alan is a stand up guy and more than willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good :rolleyes:

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so how will voting for a party that advocates lower taxation for all, and increasing independance from Europe fit in with your World Government then?:dozey:

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I am not keen on them whatsoever, but I am suggesting this so that the Tories fall apart and cease to become a major poltical force

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17752753

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Please outline the major policies of the parties you advocate.

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Some good news at last.