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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/u...-strategy.html

Trump and his aides seem to be revising their approach after the first two weeks. Trump especially seems to be angry about the way the Executive Orders have been drafted. According to this he didn't know the degree to which Bannon was being appointed to the N.S.C:

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I have seen the memes of Trump dangling on puppet strings and Bannon is the master pulling them. I have to consider that to be ludicrous because I strongly doubt Trump would share a platform of Authority with anyone.

In other news it seems, the TV interview Fox News did over weekend with Trump, the Kremlin seems to be demanding an apology for the terms 'Killer Putin' being used by O'Reilly.

http://news.sky.com/story/killer-put...emark-10758394

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Can't see Fox News apologising to Russia, especially not for that

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Another Tweet from Trump, this time claiming that any negative polls about his immigration policy are fake news. Some responses are scary, comparing his approach to something that happened in Germany many years ago..

A lot of his Tweets seem to be dismissive of anyone or anything that gets in his way?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...74430800539648

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That's his technique. Discredit every news item that goes against him as fake. His followers will agree with him and his opponents won't. But if he can sew doubt into the minds of the undecideds who swing elections then the job's done.

I like the fact that Trump's tweets are attributable to him and not the off-the-record anonymous press briefings that the UK favours. But I'm unhappy about his frequent deployment of "alternative facts" as portrayed by this and other tweets.

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In the old days our glorious leaders always had the 'good day to bury bad news', now there are so many other, far more effective, means by which to deflect attention, distort information, discredit critics/opponents etc. etc. Is it any surprise then that this is happening? When was the last time anyone heard a president, pm or whatever accept they'd got it wrong or made a huge error? The truth is they routinely lie and/or blame and try to discredit their opponents. The internet has just made it a whole lot easier for them to do the same thing on a much bigger scale.

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Not very surprised by this, I don't think it would have worked out well for Donald Trump anyway

Donald Trump will not be allowed to address Parliament on UK state visit, Speaker says

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7565651.html

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that doesn't sound very democratic is his opinion the only one that counts or does it go to a vote ?

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Well said papa. Let the people decide; it's only fair.

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Well it's not like a publicity whore like Bercow would pass up an opportunity like this is it?

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It's weird when you consider Xi was invited. It never used to be that common until recent years.

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Indeed. He has a big mouth for a little man. He should be overruled by his boss and The President of the United States should be welcomed to address Parliament and join this list.

In fact, if Bercow finds neutrality a problem he ought to try another job.

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The PM is not the Speaker's boss.

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he seems to have chucked political neutrality out of the window -he's an embarrassment to the nation .

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No-one said she is?

Agreed. Because of his comments about Preseident Trump or because of his height? :D

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He never said she was. Either way he has breached protocols on impartiality also some degree of hypocrisy too, oh and ignorance to US democracy.

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Would you really want Donald Trump addressing Parliament and being booed? Judging from the reception that Bercow received today from MPs, that would be a likely outcome. I doubt Donald Trump would be a happy chappy either.

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Would this be the same Bercow who:

https://order-order.com/2017/02/06/b...rights-record/

and happily welcomed the Chinese leader to address parliament not that long ago?

https://www.parliament.uk/business/c...to-parliament/

How many MP's who're supposedly outraged by Trump's 'record' booed Jinping I wonder? Maybe they were scared of being branded racist or maybe they're just hypocrites...

Anyone for some bandwagon jumping?

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So let me get this straight, he would be here on invitation by the Queen herself and they would have to respect that or they might as well GTFO of her Majesty's Parliament. Being booed by non-entities anyway such as the likes of undemocratic MPs specifically most in Labour Party and the tiny party, you know the ones, Liberal Democrats, who last week in commons vote to trigger A50, voted against their own constituents, bar 2 of them, he would probably associate them as the UK version of the swamp and probably would not be arsed if he doesn't get to speak in front of them.

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I'm sure if the Queen had anything to do with it, he wouldn't be invited. He's annoyed Prince Charles with his outdated denialist views on climate change and been sexist towards the Duchess of Cambridge. And that's before he's set foot in Buckingham Palace!
If you listened to the reception that Bercow's decision got, and Trump was your client, you would be grateful he was not invited to address Parliament. It would be potentially humiliating for Trump and it would not be constructive to US-UK relations. I'm sure far worse people have addressed the UK Parliament but for many reasons, the US president is judged far more critically. I guess that's an element of the special relationship that Theresa May was talking about.

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I'd rather not listen to hypocrites and undemocratic MPs thanks.

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so who is then ?

he is the boss in deciding who speaks in the commons

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Speaker said he is 'strongly opposed' to the President speaking in Westminster
Bercow is one of three powerful 'key holders' to the historic Westminster Hall
As an invited guest on a state visit Trump might have expected to make a speech
Bercow allowed leaders of China, Kuwait and Qatar speak to MPs and peers


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I'd suggest the queen is a lot more undemocratic than any mp, perhaps it's time she GTFO

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I appreciate that the first-past-the-post system penalises smaller political parties like the Liberal Democrats, UKIP and the Green Party but it's a big leap of the imagination to classify MPs as undemocratic. Like the valued judiciary, they are a fundamental part of UK democracy.
Looking at the principles and not the people, if I was advising a PM to invite or not invite a foreign leader to speak to the House of Commons, I would consider the reception my valued guest would receive.
In Trump's case, a significant number of MPs perceive him to be sexist, racist and cosying up to the UK's enemies like Russia. They would potentially accord him a hostile welcome. I wouldn't want that to happen to someone I invited to address the Commons and it could likely backfire on me and the guest would not be impressed.

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As explained previously:


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Ha ha 1-0!. In fairness, the Queen doesn't get a choice in the matter and I can't think it will be the easiest time for her. Prince Charles doesn't want a guest whom he has wrangled with over his flat earther views on climate change. Kate Middleton wouldn't feel comfortable in the company of a man old enough to be her grandfather who tweeted "Who wouldn't take Kate's picture and make lots of money if she does the nude sunbathing thing. Come on Kate!"
That being said, maybe they could all bond together over a pleasant pheasant shoot? ;)

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I think Bercow is a top bloke (for a tory), and an MP, so why shouldn't he have his say ? He must have to ruffle a few feathers on behalf of his constituents so isn't apolitical. He seems to be speaking for the majority of MPs.

It's all irrelevant anyway. The Trumpster doesn't want to speak to parliament, and he'd be speaking to a largely empty chamber. He just wants a posh dinner with Queenie in the palace, with b&b. It's cheaper than a 'cottages.com' booking.

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Ultimately, we could end the monarchy if we wanted to. There isn't the appetite for it however, so why bother? It would be a constitutional nightmare to sort out and the current system isn't broken, regardless of the carping of a very small number of republicans. It's by no means a given that an elected civilian presidency would be cheaper to maintain either, if that's your concern.

And what would we replace it with? An executive president like the system that gave the world Donald Trump? Or a ceremonial one that gave Ireland that bloke that looks like the Dungeon Master?

Personally I am very happy with a system that allows us to have a head of state that isn't a divisive political figure, who has impact and respect around the world which, by its hereditary nature, can be extended through her children and grandchildren.

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Absolutely.

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Therein lies the massive hypocrisy, 3 nations leaders with atrocious human rights records with women seen in those countries as 'lesser' species. Where were those Womens resistance protesting for women's rights in China, in Qatar and Kuwait ? Where was the petition to stop their State visits ?

The Speaker, Bercow has wholly acted inappropriate, he has used a platform to gain an audience and he has undermined the Government when he is meant to act neutral at all times, he is a hypocrite and undemocratic by dissing the democratically elected leader of our most important ally.

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:clap:

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Are you for real ? Last week some MPs voted against their own constituents i.e those who voted leave, there were some MPs who voted against Article 50 being triggered : Don't insult me by saying it's a large leap in my imagination when it is so bloody obvious these MPs stuck two fingers up to democracy. :rolleyes:

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Hi Mick, I'm for real and I'm not insulting you. :tu:
But sometimes I feel that you perceive offence from me and others when absolutely none is intended.
Last week far more MPs voted against the wishes of their constituents by voting for Article 50 than MPs who voted against Article 50 against the wishes of their constituents. And one MP threw a sickie!
But I would argue that none of the above makes MPs inherently undemocratic.

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I disagree.

MPs who voted against their constituents for Article 50 being triggered were respecting the Majority democratic result of the referendum, those who voted against that, stuck two fingers up at that majority result, they are undemocratic because they dissed the very thing that gave them their seat in the house.

Don't mention that racist MP Abbott who threw a sickie, she is an absolute disgrace along with her ex-lover Corbyn.

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I get where you're coming from and I appreciate your viewpoint.
It's a no-win situation for some MPs - vote against the wishes of constituents who elected you (and may not re-elect you because of your voting decision) but vote for what the majority of the country voted for. And it's highlighted even more when an MP like Sarah Olney is elected on the platform of voting against Article 50.
I guess it's down to the electoral system in the UK being based around representing constituents. I do think Parliament needs reforming as it penalises smaller parties but as it works for Labour and the Conservatives I can't see it happening.

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Dunno, the Lord Chancellor? Hugh has said it's not the PM, perhaps he knows who is.

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Exactly, but I would be extremely worried if the Liberal Democrats suddenly gained a lot of seats and then power, they are a divisive party and have a bad obsession with the EU, as long as they keep banging the same drum that we need to stay in the EU, they will stay as they are, insignificant.

This also highlights why people should not be so critical of the US Election process in regards to how our own election processes run, the popular vote in the US does not win the Presidency because you cannot have a few States with high population density, dictate who wins it.

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Why would we need to replace it with anything? Not having a monarch doesn't automatically mean we must have a president. I'm not that unhappy with the current queen but it's unfortunate that her Maj sits atop a thoroughly odious class system that permenates the upper echelons of pretty much every aspect of the country

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There were loads of protests about the Chinese visit

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Fantastic, now what happened about the Kuwait / Qatar visit?

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I don't recall, I can't imagine we'd have been that enamoured at the prospect of them visiting though, I mean would you want them turning up at your house?

You ever consider the reason why people don't want trump here is rather than hypocrisy we hold the Americans in high esteem as leaders of the world and expect better of them, they're our closest friends after all, when has anyone expected anything from the leaders of kuwait or taken their moral compass from Qatar.

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Qatar you ask
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar

its a bit vile

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Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, there is no getting away from it, you cannot on the one hand, stand as a speaker, deny a visit to the house of a leader of our most important ally, when he has previously allowed other leaders with far worse records do the same.

Also, when you say people, you mean 'some people', a lot of people DO want Trump to come visit. This is the problem with large parts of the liberal entity, rather than engage in dialogue and offer the right to free speech which they often abuse to their hearts content themselves, they want to deny that same privilege to their opponents, quite frankly it is pathetic.

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Bercow's backtrack? Speaker apologises after he tries to ban Donald Trump from Parliament

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...ban-Parliament

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I don't remember passing comment on the speaker, I'm not a fan of the little guy or his ghastly wife


No need to attempt to clarify what I said, the meaning is clear for anyone with even a basic grasp of English, I didn't say the people or all the people.

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I have the grasp of English thanks. It was not clear at all, you said, 'You ever consider the reason why people don't want trump here'. That was you encapsulating lots of people or all the people in the UK, which it certainly is not the case, if this was not your intention to quantify everyone in the UK, you certainly should have been more clear on that.

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If you wished to forgo the millions brought in by the pagentry and spectacle of the Monarchy that tourists throughout the world pour into the country to witness then yes do away with it.

Add to that (especially when we still had Britannia) the milions brought about in exports when the Monarch pays a state visit and yes if you wish to forgo that then let's get rid.

Oh wait, remoaners don't wish this country to thrive on it's own.

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Name calling sadly is often used when trying to win an argument without objective consideration of the facts.;)

And by the way l am a monarchist and even though l did not vote for Brexit its happened so lets get on with it and hope it leads to a better future for us all but l would not put your house on it though.:) as one might be rather disappointed with what transpires.:)

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I imagine it is lots of people that is why I used the term people, it doesn't quantify a specific number or even suggest a majority let alone everyone, in fact imo the vast majority, myself included couldn't give a toss if he comes or not.

When you put it like that then yes I'd rather forgo the benefits

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...worth-tuppence

Especially when the actual figure they cost might have been underestimated grossly, I know what I believe and it isn't that they gain us cash

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-10491277.html

And I think you'll find I've been moaning for years on here on behalf of British workers stitched up by the EU, don't remember you having much to say though

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...2&postcount=59

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...8&postcount=34

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=141

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...3&postcount=37

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...93&postcount=3

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...7&postcount=88

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Whatever the monarchy costs it isn't more then the revenue from the crown estates that go to the exchequer and despite the vocal whinging of a small minority there is neither the desire or the will to abolish the monarchy and that issue has nothing to do with brexit. I believe now as I've believed from the start that the best future for the UK medium to longterm is out of the EU being a truely global trading nation constrained only by laws we set ourselves and improving relations with many more nations then we would have under the EU. I'd even be happy if we improved relations with russia and brexit will give us the freedom to do that.

No one has ever said brexit is risk free because it isn't much will depend on how competently things are handled by the relevant politicians at the time issues arise. But lets not pretend remaining in the EU was risk free because that's fantasy land, the EU has deep issues which have been ignored or glossed over for a longtime that are coming home to roost. Further integration was also coming as the EU's endgame has been known and celebrated by some eurocrats the united states of europe we couldn't continue being in the club but not adopting the integration for much longer some in the EU were frustrated with the UK before brexit was even mentioned as they felt the UK should be fully commited.

We leave now and we have time to gets things sorted and organised the alternative being we stayed in and either integrated to the desired level in the near future or be given an ultimatum of integrate or be kicked out. Given that even a fair few remain supporters were not supportive of further integration it was a problem that would have needed to be resolved.

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Trump travel ban: judges skeptical about arguments on executive order

Looks like he may have an uphill struggle.

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Maybe he ought to think before opening his mouth. He voiced no such opposition in the run up to the Chinese state visit and look at their record on stuff like human rights.

https://order-order.com/2017/02/07/b...ed-parliament/

Strangely he didn't seem to think they were worthy of the Trump treatment... :rolleyes:


Anyway in the interests of fairness, to Trump, I should point out that there's a petition here seeking Bercow's removal from office:

https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliame...ies-as-speaker

Evidently the official view from HMG's petitions site is that he can't be removed from office so petitions to that end won't be accepted.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions

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It'll go to the supreme court. Which is still only 8no. strong as Trumps pick has not been approved yet.

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Interesting. Can it end in no decision ie four judges decide one way, four the other? In which case would the status quo continue?

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Yup the existing verdict at the lower level stands if there is a tie.

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https://apnews.com/f97c60f658a648328d7711cfd58888d2

More alternative facts...

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Ivanka Trump's entanglement with establishment media family the Murdochs comes to the surface. Google the headline in bold below to read the full article

Ivanka Trump oversaw Murdoch daughters’ trust
Donald Trump’s daughter Ivanka was a trustee for a large bloc of shares in 21st Century Fox and News Corp that belong to Rupert Murdoch’s two youngest daughters, underscoring the close ties between the US president’s family and the mogul behind the Fox News Channel.
https://www.ft.com/content/a615f0ce-...f-061b01e23655

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Hypocrisy Hugh, at it again..... :rolleyes:

Obama has told way more Alternative Facts, here is a sample of a few:-

For more Alternative Facts from 4 to 9 from Obama, see:-

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7894/9...-aaron-bandler

Oh and what's this also..... ???

Bill Clinton LIED under OATH regarding his affair with Monica Lewinsky...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...ticle-1.904790

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But is it an alternative fact?

Your quote is based on a statistical number X.X /100,000. What are the actual numbers? Don't forget the population has increased in the past 50 yrs so statistically it may be lower but numbers could well be higher.

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Trump was talking about a rate which is per person, not absolute numbers.

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In fairness to Hugh, this thread is about President Donald Trump, not the previous presidents.

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LMFAO.....I am well aware of what this thread is about and I certainly do not need telling by you.

So here we are, some of you having issues and trying to paint a picture of Trump lying, may be he did tell a porker yesterday, but I am not having you or anybody else saying it is not okay to highlight the hypocrisy going on here regarding former Presidents, when it came to them telling Alternative facts.

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I'm confused but that's not hard. :) What was wrong with what Hugh posted? Hugh's not trying to benchmark Trump with previous presidents - and it's probably too early to do that - but pointing out some incorrect information that Trump is stating as fact.

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Yeah don't see how Hugh is being hypocritical. This tactic of shutting down criticism with accusations of hypocrisy if they haven't criticised someone else. There will always be someone else to condemn. I mean I didn't see anyone here have a go at Nixon?

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Most politicians lie no matter what political persuasion they are and it has been happening long before even l was born.

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Now you're talking like a politician and using obfuscation.

If there were 2,000 murders last year and 2,500 this year then the rate has gone up and has nothing to do with per person. That is the public perception, deal with it instead of hiding behind statistics.

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This is right... All politicians never tell it as is it, distort the truth, bend it for their own purposes.

So no there is nothing wrong with Hugh highlighting that Trump could be lying but the term 'Alternative Facts', has history in the White House by former Presidents of the United States. But the way it is being put across here, because Trump may be doing it too, it makes him extra bad.... :rolleyes:

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If there were 2,000 murders last year and 2,500 this year then we do not know what the murder rate is as we do not know what the population was this year and last year.
Murder rates are calculated per 100,000 people. Please try to understand the issue before criticising people.

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I don't care how the authorities calculate the murder rate, I am talking about public perception.

Joe Public looks at the number not the statistics. Trump could well be looking at it the same way IDK.

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Well, since the number of US troops in Afghanistan was reduced from 100,000 in 2010 to 8,400 in 2016, I would call that "bringing more of our troops home to their families".

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/m...2001/86755782/

YMMV

And please accept my apologies for calling Trump's statements 'alternative facts' - I should have just called them lies...

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Give up Pip, the left only see what they want to see. ;)

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You got that right Mick!

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We all know politicians lie or exaggerate the truth but Trump isn't a politician and he was elected on a platform of telling the truth and 'telling it how it is' his track record so far is not good

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In your opinion.

And for the record, he is now a Politician, being the President of the United States. ;)

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Yemen Withdraws Permission for U.S. Antiterror Ground Missions

Now let me get this right. The military wanted to carry out this raid but Obama wouldn't sanction it preferring to leave it up to Trump.

Trump said OK as the military had planned it all and (presumably) made the decision based on what the military had informed him.

The operation went pear shaped and it's Trump's fault?

WTF.

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Not my opinion Mick ,Trump made the statement himself

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/2...paign-strategy

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Alternative facts, fake news, spin - all part of the same deception used, in all likelihood, by every government there's every been. Only the method of delivery is different. We're in a world in which the masses can and will believe what they choose to because there'll always be someone or something at hand to confirm the 'facts' the prefer.

We're living in a world in which govt. is going to be increasingly influenced by social media and which particular topics become the most 'viral' regardless of the veracity of the 'facts' presented.

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The key indicator for the success of a hotel is its occupancy rate. Hotels are Trump's business so he knows what a rate is even if you believe the public don't.

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Obama judged the raid not to be sensible so decided against it. Trump decided differently with catastrophic results. Ultimately, it's his fault but he's learning that you can't delegate things in the way that you can in business.

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Yes because Trump is the commander in chief also there is this from your link

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Here's a bit of background on how Trump was persuaded to agree to the Yemen raid by his staff. .

Donald Trump's staff get him to agree to policies by saying 'Obama wouldn't have done it'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7566861.html

However, Pip may have been a little hasty in describing the raid which missed its target and killed 30 civilians and one US Navy SEAL as having gone "pear-shaped". According to the White House, it was “a successful operation by all standards”.

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So given that Trump and his staff are always truthful and "tell it like it is" the only conclusion to be drawn is that the US meant to kill the civilians and children.

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Perhaps I should have highlighted where I was aiming the 'Your opinion at'. You said his record is bad so far, that is where I aiming 'that's your opinion', not at what he said during his campaign.

I say your opinion, because he is doing everything he said he would do on the campaign trail, which of course he was democratically elected on, so I would say all his supporters and the people who voted for him would heavily disagree with you.

As for the Travel ban, which others like to call it.... shock horror:-

55% of Europeans agree with Trump's Immigration Restriction, only 20% disagreed with it, 25% neither agreed or disagreed or was not sure of it....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7567301.html

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For godness sake martyh is that really worth posting?:td:

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What's the matter ,don't you like it when Trump shows what a completely useless asshat he is

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There is loads of stuff showing where trump has lied ,exaggerated,or 'forgot' about his election promises so it's not just my opinion

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Which Election promises has he forgot about ?

And yes it is just your opinion.

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Overall, I do think Trump appears to be trying to deliver on his promises, perhaps more so than many commentators expected.

What he has not delivered on is not to put Hillary Clinton behind bars. He didn't forget about her, he just changed his mind once he'd won the election.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-jail-dropped

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Wow, that's one, martyh, gave the impression there was loads he had forgot, round about the same as he was having a silly OTT outburst towards Kursk.

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Doubtless there are more. For example, the wall will now be US-funded and Trump will try and figure out a way to get Mexico to pay for it but good luck with that! I didn't see any outbursts from Kursk or martyh but I'm more interested in the debate.

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What OTT outburst,

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There wasn't one, it's just a dead cat tactic.

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So, the Pentagon come up with a plan that Obama didn't wish to sign off on preferring it to be left to his successor, his succsseor is advised by the Pentagon that the plan is sound and has a high success probability. He then, based on the advice of the Pentagon (and others) gives the OK.

It's not the first time the US has co*ked up in military operations and not always the fault of whoever is in power. Planning and operation is down to the Pentagon and if a President cannot trust their judgement then they should be replaced.

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most western countries have crack troops the usa has crap troops that bugger up everything they get involved in you cant blame the don for that he hasn't been in charge long enough .

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one of the more interesting martyisms to date :)

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The Bay of Pigs incident is the perfect example of that very scenario.

It wasn't Kennedy's plan, but he was pressured into as the rookie incoming President.

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In your feeble head maybe.

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Jimmy Carter is a better example.

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He's having a go at a business decision made by Nordstrom now?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38912247

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 

Counter productive commercially.

Now every retailer knows that if it decides to take a punt on selling clothes by Ivana Trunk but doesn't sell enough to make money then it can either:
1) Carry on losing money.
2) Stop stocking the clothes but face aggressive tweets from the President.

Average retailer's decision: not worth the risk.

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 

I have to laugh everytime l read or see anything on that prat Trump.

He is now whining about companies that are abandoning his wife. Have you seen pictures of here each time she appears with that prat. Never smiling, as if she is not being the wife of the man who is causing so much truble in the US. And he has only been Presidnt for a few months.

He must be the only President, who is the most disliked person in American History.

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 

I have to laugh at another one of your late night, misinformed views because you don't read things properly. Ivanka is his Daughter! Not wife. :rolleyes:

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 

It's Arthur, what do you expect Mick? He doesn't have the intelligence.

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There's a few good ones here

http://reverbpress.com/politics/15-b...les-migraines/

The stand outs for me are reversing gay marriage, deporting 11 million illegals and settling the trump university suits plus I'm sure I remember him saying he'd put his businesses in a blind trust and then not

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Didn't he say he'd date his daughter so maybe that explains the confusion

Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 

I think you're the one very confused.... :nutter: