Undercover at Deliveroo - the reality of being a self-employed rider
 

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2017-...mployed-rider/

ach time l read, or hear of companies that do this type of work. Always puzzles me why people do this type of work.

Companies only operate this was, as they know people will do anything for money. Only to find out that they get a pittance of money for it.

When l was in employed. I was desperate for work and found an advert asking for people in my area delivering leaflets.

I called the number in the Advert. And was told that l would get £15.00 to deliver to 20 streets. And l could do it when l wanted. BUT, would get paid when l returned that day.

The funny part of the tv report on this. AFTER, the reporter told the company they were undercover. He was told that he would get a £50.00 bonus - what a load of tosh:(

After l delivered the leaflets, l went back for my money.Only to be told that 'they claimed l hadn't delivered to a certain street - as one of there Managers lived down there' I didn't get paid.

Companies will do anything t get round paying workers there rightful money.

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You answered your own question.

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I'm rather puzzled as to how someone can claim to be self employed yet only work for one other company. IR35 was set out to specifically exclude this.

In a nutshell if you provide services to one company only during a 24 month period you are deemed to be working for that company.

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I wonder if Big Issue resellers come under IR35?

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No. The Big Issue is a wholesaler, the only employees are the journalists and those working in the distribution centres.

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Not strictly true .I fit doors and windows on a self employed basis and i only work for one company ,i supply my own tools and my own van,all perfectly legit .However a few years ago i worked for a similar company as a self employed fitter but they supplied the van and when they went under i was granted redundancy as an employed person,i was classed as employed because they supplied the van .It's perfectly fine to be self employed ,working for one company as long as you maintain the ability to work elsewhere

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I thought you didn't drive a van? :erm:

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It might not be white...;)

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This was advice from my accountant about the 24 month limit.

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I think a lot depends on the industry.For me in my industry it would simply be impractical for me and financially devastating for the company.I do appreciate though that some companies will take the pee and use self employment as a way of absolving themselves of responsibility when in reality it would be perfectly possible to employ their staff.As for the 24 month rule or IR35 as a sole trader it wouldn't affect me anyway

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I never said that ,get your facts right

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I think you're right as a sole trader. I provide my services through my own limited company so the rule applies. Not a problem as I have a number of clients that give me regular work.

Strictly speaking I'm not self employed but employed by the company that I own. I could sack myself. :D

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That's correct ,the rules for limited company owners and sole traders are different and one of the reasons i won't set up a limited company is because it gets so bloody complicated ,staying as a sole trader suits me just fine

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You're fired for revealing company secrets on a public site!:D:D:D

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I think everyone is missing a big point here.
Major companies that are involved in all this stuff. Don't care a damn about rules and regs. If they can get away with it, they will.

You nly have to look at this rickshaw riders in Central London. Rip off merchants. And Westminster Council are trying to change things so that they pay a fare whack to them. And charge reasonable rate.

Its like Black cabs are fighting Uber, as there drivers don't pay charge at Heathrow to collect fares, whereas Black Cabs do.

Its like all these Zero Hour contract companies, they are the same.

Amazon for example, they were in the news recently for one of there warehouses and the strict guidelines they follow.

Its no good Directors or owners of companies saying that there employees are self employees, therefore cannot claim rights such as sick pay, Holiday pay etc. Its the money they make to get a huge profit on someone else's back.

When l delivered wine for a sub contractors. I fell into a similar trick. I was employed by a sub contractor. Delivered goods all over the UK. My boss was paid so much per box. If l broke anything, l had to pay out of my wages. If l got parking tickets, it came out of my wages.
I wasn't allowed sick pay, or even holiday pay.

When my wife was nearly killed in a car crash. My boss told me, when l visited my wife in hospital. That l had to return as soon as possible as l wouldn't get paid for it.

When l told the main company, that l couldn't do the work - they told me l hadn't got a job. And had to find my own way back from Bellmarsh, in Kent.

A good C.A.B advisor told me to go to a solicitor. I did. It went to a tribunal and l won.

I was told that, my employer told them l was employed. But to the main company l was self employed as a sub contractor.

My employer broke many Acts under the Employment rights of a worker. IF. people don't read the Contract of employment when you join a company. The company can do what they want to you.

Does any member of this forum read a contract before signing it ? Its in the small print. And this is where all these companies get you on.

I just feel sorry for any self employed driver / or worker. As companies will make you work your socks off. And wont give a damn. As there is always someone that will take your place

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IF I sign a contract of employment then I know who I am working for and on what grounds.

If I sign a contract as an a person who has put a price in for a specific, limited time job (erecting a building or whatever) I know what I will get providing I meet the terms of that agreement as I would have put a price in according to the terms and requirements.

Uber drivers have just won a case where they are employees. Black cabs as per regulations have to be self-employed and enjoy benefits that other "taxi firms" do not have.

Anything else Arthur?