Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35890340)

This presidency will stand or fall in it's first year as much as I'm happy that a different type of person won the election Trump needs to adjust to his new position quicker then he is. He cannot continue running the presidency as he ran his business interests they are two different to work. Trump has some good ideas but he's too quick to use twitter and that's causing too many problems for it to continue for much longer or be accepted by even the republicans. He has been caught out a few times now putting it politely embelishing things and not reacting well when he is caught out it's not the way to be a president and he needs to find a way to put the whole Russia situation to bed as well because as long as that's not resolved his presidency will struggle.

I want Trump to succeed so that another nail is hammered in the coffin of the type of politician that's infested western politics for the last twenty years and i have no doubt Trump winning averted a serious problem with Russia that Clinton would have pushed perhaps going too far. That said he has to step up and adapt to the role and blind loyalty and defence of him is not going to help him do that, right now if your a real Trump supporter do him the biggest favour you can and admit his mistakes and show him that he has to change.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35890335)

Trump has made stuff up ,his accusation that Obama bugged his offices is complete made up trash ,

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890347)

Obama Administration has form when it comes spying on folk just ask France, UN's Bank Ki Moon. Feel free to go ask them : That's after you calm down and wind your neck in again.

Now you are just babbling. :zzz:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35890349)

Better tell mick to stop being so aggressive then or don't the rules apply to him

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It's glaringly obvious to everyone with half a brain that Trump has just made that up ,what's worrying is he thinks he can get away with it

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890354)

But you have conveniently ignored that Obama Admin has form when it comes to spying !

If Obama Administration was capable of spying on ALLIES, why not foes, i.e. a Republican candidate? If Obama was desperate to get evidence to prove these so called Russian links : How best to do that with the tools available and they had used those tools before to even spy on friends.

Whose the mug now ? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890354)

But you have conveniently ignored that Obama Admin has form when it comes to spying !

If Obama Administration was capable of spying on ALLIES, why not foes, i.e. a Republican candidate? If Obama was desperate to get evidence to prove these so called Russian links : How best to do that with the tools available and they had used those tools before to even spy on friends.

Whose the mug now ? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35890355)

This is a great forum with well-informed contributors and hopefully no one's a mug.
But as Hugh has explained, you can't just spy on US citizens, a court order is required and none was requested or given. That's easy to prove.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890354)

But you have conveniently ignored that Obama Admin has form when it comes to spying!

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35890365)

Every US President and for that matter, every British Prime Minister has form for spying. That's what countries do, including spying on their allies.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35890366)

Ah, so now it's the British intelligence agencies colluding against Trump. Have to hand it to you Mick, you're way ahead of the Trumpster. Maybe he'll read this thread and tweet it as a fact...

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35890354)

But you have conveniently ignored that Obama Admin has form when it comes to spying !

If Obama Administration was capable of spying on ALLIES, why not foes, i.e. a Republican candidate? If Obama was desperate to get evidence to prove these so called Russian links : How best to do that with the tools available and they had used those tools before to even spy on friends.

Whose the mug now ? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35890374)

Bizarrely my Twitter feed just went crazy with the Sean Spicer accusing GCHQ of spying on Trump? Did he say that before your post? Where did come from?

Is Sean Spicer reading this thread? Are you Sean Spicer? So many questions :D