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I am not surprised that the people of this country are striking over pensions.

I was told today, that starting from next month my pension will be going up by £60 / £70 per month.

This will now cause me financial hardship big time, What l think this government is doing by increasing the retirement age even higher, is that many people may not live past the retirement age, therefore saving them money.:mad:

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Do you mean the cost of your pension, Arthur?

If so, how do you think your extended life-span is going to be paid for - from the magic money tree?

btw, I know you and facts don't get on, but retirement age if you are under 55 will be 67, and average male life span is 78, so your premise is flawed.

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That's about £15 - £17 extra a week.
I know a few old people who would be celebrating if their pension was going up that much?

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When l was told by my union rep, l nearly had a heart attack, I cannot afford to pay that per week.

All my bills have gone up, but not my wages, work that one out.

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EVERYONE is in the same boat or do you feel you should be different to EVERYONE else

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With all due respect I don't think that is what he is claiming.I think he is justly peeved that he has to find the extra cash and that it is going to place a strain on his present finances..Not that he should be a special case.I think your comment was a trifle uncalled for.:erm:

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Firefighters pension contributions will be going up to 13.3% from the 1st April, because they are already paying 11%.

There is a very good reason why firefighters can't be operational until they are 68 (you can't climb a ladder with a zimmer frame). And under employment law, if they are no longer fit enough to do what is a very physically demanding job, then they can be sacked.

I'm not going to get into an argument about this. But it's just a couple of things that people should be aware of.

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You forgot to mention that the employers contribute 21.3%....

And according to this consultation document, a firefighter would need to be on £120,000 to pay an additional 2.3%.

http://www.communities.gov.uk/docume...df/1985324.pdf page 13

btw, I thought Hutton had recommended 60 as a retirement age for firefighters - where did 68 come from?

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The firefighters pension actually has the lowest employers contribution of all public sector workers.

I wouldn't pay any attention to that consultation document if I were you. We have been told what we will be paying as from the first of april. And none of are on £120,000, I can assure you of that.

By 2015 we will be paying 14%.

Hutton didn't recommend 60 as a retirement age. He said it should be considered. But the government have just decided to go ahead without considering the implications.

If you are dismissed at 59 because you are no linger fit enough to carry out the physical work, then you won't bet your pension until 68.

68 is the retirement age that the government wants to bring in. And they are pushing towards this for all professions.

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Do you have some figures for that? (It's not that I don't believe you, I'd just be interested to see the figures)

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It's all on the FBU website. I personally only have a paper copy.

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Erm, how many private sector employers contribute 21%?

Re "lowest contribution" - I work in the public sector (education), and my employer contributes 13%, so your statement is incorrect.

Re2 firefighters operational until 68, the FBU website states

http://www.fbu.org.uk/wp-content/upl...o.-1.indd_.pdf page 1

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I'm afraid you have wrong information. We had a meeting that went on for three hours last week with all the facts and figures (my head is still throbbing).

http://www.fbu.org.uk/?page_id=131

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Personally, I'd quite happily pay an extra 2% if it meant my employer paid 21%..

Incidentally - is your pension payout guaranteed? -i.e. does not fluctuate with the stock exchange?

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You said
So my pension fund is lying to me and all the other members re Employers Contributions of 13%?

btw, the Local Government Pension Scheme has average employer contributions of 13.6% (according to Unite)

And the NHS Pension Fund employers contributions are 14%
http://www.nhsemployers.org/SiteColl..._210709_aw.pdf

Teachers Pension Fund has contributions of 14.1% http://www.teacherspensions.co.uk/em...mployers13.htm

They appear to be lower than 21%.......

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Nothing is guaranteed. They are changing the way it is calculated, so that you get far less. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

If you had spent 15 years in a career, with relatively low pay for the job, but with the promise that at the end of your career you will get a decent pension. Then I'm sure that you would be slightly miffed.

Remember 14% is a huge chunk to pay from your wages. There are many people considering pulling out of the pension scheme (which was compulsorary when I started). And if only 2% pull out, then it will actually cost the government more.

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Like I said, I'm not here to argue. If you want all the figures, then go to the link for the FBU website.

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I have just provided figures that disprove your Union's assertion...

Again, the Local Government Pension Scheme has average employer contributions of 13.6% (according to Unite)

And the NHS Pension Fund employers contributions are 14%
http://www.nhsemployers.org/SiteColl..._210709_aw.pdf

Teachers Pension Fund has contributions of 14.1% http://www.teacherspensions.co.uk/em...mployers13.htm

They appear to be lower than 21%.......

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I have a private pension which I set up when I was 18 to enable me to retire at 60.

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Depends on the scheme. NFPS is for people who stated from April 2006.
The retirement age is to be based around 60, but could be from 55(reduced pension).
So the retirement age of 60 was set in 2006. Who was in government then?

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Look Hugh. As I said I'm not going to arue about it. There are people who know far more about it than me or you, who have come up with all the facts and figures on the FBU website. So just have a look on there.

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The FBU are totally impartial, aren't they...

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What does it matter who was in government? They have been talking about this for many years.

The NFPS was never agreed to.

This wasn't actually a heads of agreement, because nothing was ever agreed. So even the title was wrong :rolleyes:

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I didn't say for a second that they are. However they aren't going to come up with information that is simply wrong. They are mounting legal challenges against the government, and they would be laughed out of court if they did.

Unlike propoganda that the government puts out to discredit anyone who is in dispute with them, the FBU don't want to take industrial action, it is a last resort. The web site is there to give members the FACTS.

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Whatever it is, it is still the Government's starting point, so claims of being forced to retire at 68 are bogus. That is unless the FBU are going to be the ones to insist on it being increased to 68.:rolleyes:

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Just read the site, and stop putting words into my mouth.

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Your claimed 13.3% is for those earning above £120,000 and that is according to the Statutory Instrument(ie the Law). No amendments with regards to age are being made at all, so it remains based around 60. That is for the more generous Final Salary scheme.

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Sorry I made a mistake. It is 12.3% in april this year, but is going up to 14% by 2015. But that is on top of a 3 year pay freeze dispite a pay agreement to link firefighter pay to associate technical and professional, only a few years previously. Which means a pay cut in real terms already of 11%.

The 68 year old retirement is in future plans. But as I said, for those who aren't fit enough to be operational until they are 60, they can be sacked, and won't be able to claim their pension until they are 68, because that will be the retirement age by then.

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Where does it say in any OFFICIAL government plans or proposals that the age is definitely to be raised to 68? All that there seems to be is a plan to look at the age, taking into account things like the nature of the work.
If you want to keep the final salary scheme, you have to contribute more into it.

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Sorry, that doesn't wash.

A) your link lead to a series of links, rather than something that specifically backed up your assertions
B) you appear to take the word of a FBU campaign document rather than a number of Pension Fund websites (as well as a Unite union website) - either the FBU are being misleading, or pension funds for around six million people are; which do you think is more likely?

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Why can't the govenrment make it compulsory for all employeers to offer final-salary pension schemes for current and new employees?

And do give the claim that "they cannot afford it" becuase if they can pay large dividends and wages to excutives then they can afford it

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because not every company pays "large dividends" or large wages to executives .Indeed not every company have executives or even pays dividends .Do you even know why a company issues shares ?and do you know why shareholders get a dividend .....sometimes
You really have to start learning about the subject you choose to waffle about .

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Whatever the case Final-Salary pensions for all is possible

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No it's not. How do smaller companies afford that ?

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Why don't you ask them yourself?

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I don't need to i am one

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You're the person claiming its possible. You tell us.

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Accept less profits and dividends

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The plan is to make retirement age 68 for all. The firefighters retirement age will be 60, but as I keep saying, if you aren't fit enough to be operational at 59 (which most people won't be), then you can be sacked. And then you can't claim your pension until you are 68.

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So for a small business which makes say 100k profit. Two shareholders who pay themselves a salary of 50k and take say a dividend of 25k each. This leaves them with 50k which they put back into the business.

How exactly can they afford to pay a final salary pension for how every many employees?

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What dividends? .You have to realise that not every company issues shares .Small companies with maybe 10 employees will not issue shares and pay dividends and no way could they afford to contribute to pensions.
Why do think that people start companies Alan ?

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They should get the extra money from the dividends

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Because Alan thinks the owners should be paid a basic wage the same as everybody else .The owners may have spent all their own money starting the company ,they may keep 10 people in good productive employment but they are company owners so by default are the very Devil themselves .He fails to realise that not all company owners are rolling around in wads of cash ,in fact, in my experience many are deep in dept

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Sorry, your statement appears contradictory.

It appears to be stating "everyone will retire at 68, except firemen, who will retire at 60" - am I misunderstanding something?

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Again ......WHAT DIVIDENDS?

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To make money, businesses small and large will have to accept less profits in the future

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What if the company is at break even or making a loss?

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Would sir like one of these* for the weekend?

* :banghead:

:D

You do realise you're trying to argue with Ed Miliband don't you..... :D

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You can think what you want Hugh. Like I said the FACTS are there, and you can believe them or not.

The FBU don't want industrial action, it would be a last resort. They want a negotiated settlement based on FACTS. So it would be rather stupid of them to enter negotiations with fantasy figures.

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And me

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You are assuming that all companies make big profits.

Open your eyes, the country is in a mess, and companies are struggling :rolleyes:

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Would that be from the magic dividend cloud? :rolleyes:

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Yes you are

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Alan, in a previous thread you were trying to tell us that you were high management for a huge company...you have just blown that idea right out of the water.

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Don't forget, any nasty evil companies who refused to hand over all their dividends would be immediately "subject to Iran like sanctions blah blah blah....." :rofl:

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Let's face it ,in Alans world who would bother to set up a company

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Then there is somthing wrong with the company

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The country is in a mess due to the rich we need to make final salary pensions the law

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Unless it is a super airport ;)

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In a world government, companies will either be state owned or co-operatives

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The worlds a globalised place, you need to think global

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There is something wrong with many companies....it's called lack of profit due to the recession...or isn't there a recession in your fantasy world?


You really know how to bankrupt a country don't you Alan :rolleyes:

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You really don't have a clue.

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Whereas you just need to think full stop!

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It's like arguing with a child isn't it..... :D

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And in Alan's fantasy world, he will be a communist dictator :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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I know there is a recession, the worst since the 1930s and was cuased by the rich themselfs (and the high risks they took and the economic system that benfits them)

My plan can be done with tax rises and a crackdown on tax evasion and avoidance

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The only people who don't have a clue are people who defend and promote a failed economic, social and poltical system :mad: :td:

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Apparently I just don't get it.

Well I'd be severely worried about my sanity if any of his 'arguments' made sense to me... :rofl:

Anyway his reluctance to redistribute some of his wealth to the poor are duly noted and should be borne in mind each time we're subjected to one of his sermons....

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So are all the pension companies (Teachers, NHS, Local Government) and Unite (and Unison, who say the same thing on their website) lying? Because their facts appear to contradict the FBU facts.

So I am misunderstanding the 60/68 statement - can you help clarify it, please - will firemen retire at 60, or not?

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No Alan, your plan is in cloud cukoo land, along with your airport.

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The only people who argue like children are people who defend and promote a failed economic, social and poltical system :mad: :td:

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For GOD SAKE, I am not a communist :mad: :td:

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They are not defending anything - they are challenging your nonsensical postings.

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Each union talks about things that concern their members. Firefighters are in a completely different situation to teachers, NHS, local government workers, etc..

So what your union tells you will apply to you. Don't try and apply what the FBU say to yourself, because that simply won't work.

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I pay all my taxes and I have made it clear why I do not give to charity, becuase it does not make a diffence, becuase so much money is wasted on corruption etc

This is nothing more that a attempt by the defenders of a failed system to move the agurement away from the real issues! :mad: :td:

The trouble with you lot is that you are lying to yourselfs! :D

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The only people on cloud cukoo land are defenders of a failed economic, social and poltical system :mad: :td:

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The only people with nonsensical postings are defenders of a failed system :td: :mad:

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Most of your rants promote communist ideals. In fact even Twitter has 'The Communist Party UK' as 'Similar to Alan Fry'.

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Yes, but I do not 100% agree with them, like sending people to prison camps, freedom of speech and the fact they are against Israel and these days they are now with Islamists (e.g. Respect)

I am not a Communist, Facist or any other form of poltical and relgious extremism!

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Nobody is defending the failed economic system. You need to get that into your head Alan. But there are ways of doing things that would work, and there are ways that won't. And you have to use common sense to work out which will work...something you don't seem to use with many of your ideas.

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You are talking about one communist country, not communist ideals. But many of your rants follow communits ideals.

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Here's a novel idea, when you're next allowed out to play why not go find some homeless or needy people and give to them direct? Food, clothing, anything they need. Give them somewhere to sleep in your house even.....or is that too open to 'corruption' for you? You're successful, practice what you preach and share your wealth. :rolleyes:

BTW I don't suppose your 'world government' would be in any way subject to corruption would it? I mean there'd be no opposition, nobody to blow the whistle or stand in opposition. Sounds like a perfect recipe for nepotism and corruption to me.......

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:clap::clap::clap:

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I am talking about the Far-Left in gernral (most of which are also anti-EU) not the the Communist Party of the UK

I do not want to abolish Capitlism and Democracy, but they should be radically reformed!

The only people without common sense are defenders of a failed system

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Who said anything about religion???

Although you are an extremist, as your Twitter and Facebook posts clearly show.

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Yes with all those rants, insults, incitements and hypocritical ramblings, how on earth does he find time to run that massive transport organisation he's in charge of I wonder? :confused:

(unless of course it's really just a trainset on his bedroom floor...... :) :D )

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I think you have hit the nail on the head ;)

His idea of a world goverment is for a model world in his bedroom. And I've just figured out something....he only has room for one airport in his bedroom. ;)

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I do give money to the homeless and direct them to charities, but the money of the rich will make a much bigger diffrence tham me alone

Also under a "World government" I will make it clear that we are in power not for our sake, nut for the sake for Humans and Earth. There will still be a independent media (all under the BBC), if they find sometihng wrong, they can report it

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I am not a extremist, i have not anything in relation to communism and facism, all I have said Is that we need radcial reform to democracy and capitalism via democratic means or not :mad: :td:

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Nobody in here is defending either this government, or even the provious government. In fact if you follow many peoples posts you will see that most of us realise how we got into this mess.

However none of us are suggesting violence, murder, riots, or terrorism, unlike you do.

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All you are doing is just taking this agument away from the real issues, do you come from a world were there is no such thing as a iphone or ipad?

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And that is the really worrying thing about your rants Alan. And it is what will eventually get you locked up if you don't tone down your Twitter and Facebook posts.

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The trouble is that real and radcal change cannot be easily achived thorugh democratic means (you and your friends have not convice me even less)

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Until you can get me direct links to world businesses and government, I cannot see why I should change what I am saying

All I want is real and radical change, what you may ask your self, how failed is the system when someone wants change, this is almost the only way to do it?

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The situation is bad, and nobody will argue with that. But most people with common sense can see that most of your ideas will make things far worse. And the few ideas that you have that may work in theory are pure fantasy, and could NEVER work in practice, due to different views, cultures, religions, and beliefs.

The one thing that all sane people do know is that violence and terrorism is not an option, and never will be.

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Tim, I am applying that you stated that the FBU said that the Firemen's employers contributions were the lowest in the Public Sector at 21% (I am in the Public Sector) - I provided evidence from Public Sector pension providers and two of the major Public Sector Unions which contradicted that statement by showing their Public Sector employers' contributions were 13 - 14%.

I think that works for me....;)

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Well if that works for you then that's fine.

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My ideas will fix the problems that we are facing and improve the way the world is run as I have stated on many occasion. Also I have taken the fact there are different views, cultures, religions, and beliefs and that most people would benefit more (which I have also stated on several occasions) and they should be able to see that, the ones that disagree will not have any choice

I do not want violence and terrorism to ever be an option for real and radical change, but based on how it can be accepted at democratic elections and the views of pretty much everyone at CF, I am not convinced that real and radical change can be done via democratic means (though I am still open to it)

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So that isn't true democracy then is it??? A dictator will make them comply!!!

You openly promote violence, murder, riots, and terrorism on Twitter and Facebook. This isn't acceptable in a civilised society.

And Alan, please stop sending me PM's. I'm never going to be converted to your extremist views.

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If a majority of the worlds population agree (which is the case) then they have no choice

And on what basis do you think we are in a civilised society, I mean a lot of the worlds population is in poverty (a lot of people in the UK are the same), we have many wars, many dictatorships and in all the world, the rich rul at our exepene with dire conqunces! :mad:

Still call it a civilised society?

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Im just wondering if Alan feels guilty being paid to be a 'senior manager' and spending so much of his time doing other things. :rolleyes:

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and the answer to so many dictatorships around the world is to have one great big one? :confused: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Reality check Alan: You can't even get anyone on this forum site to agree with you. So what chance do you think you have on getting the majority of the worlds population to agree with you?

So you want to declare war on almost all of the countries in the world, in order to force them to agree with you???

I seems to think that a certain person called Adolf tried that one :rolleyes:

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Yes Alan, answer the question....just how do you get away with it???

I would have thought that a senior manager for a company that employs 10,000 staff would be extremely busy during the day.


And guess who that dictator would be?? ;)

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Yes and we only have to check out his bizarre and wholly distasteful rantings elsewhere to find out what he'd do to anyone with the temerity to disagree with him.... :nutter:

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No, that is not the case

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My world government will not be a dictatorship :mad: :td:

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Unlike this forum, most of the world are in poverty and would be richer and have job under world government. Hence most nations would agree!

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It seems to be the defnders of a failed system have lost it again! :D

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Honestly, I would disagree, yet again you try (and fail) to move this agurement away from the real issues! :mad: :td:

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I am talking about afterwards!

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[QUOTE=Alan Fry;35394735]No, that is not the case[QUOTE]

So you don't feel guilty about not doing any work then???

[QUOTE=Alan Fry;35394735]
My world government will not be a dictatorship :mad: :td:[QUOTE]

But you will force those who don't agree with you to comply...isn't that what dictatorships do?

Sending people down the Siberian salt mines to give them a job then eh?

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[QUOTE=Tim Deegan;35394749][QUOTE=Alan Fry;35394735]No, that is not the case[QUOTE]

So you don't feel guilty about not doing any work then???

[QUOTE=Alan Fry;35394735]
My world government will not be a dictatorship :mad: :td:No, give them decent jobs to people who are not rich in both developing and developed nations

I am doing what a lot of people want to! :mad: :td:

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The only rantings that are on CF are by people who defend a failed poltical, social and economic system!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...012/03/105.jpg

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So the guy who'll impose sanctions (or worse) on everyone who disagrees with his plan and will force countries to form a world government reckons it won't be constitute a dictatorship?.... :rofl:

I'm beiginning to think Alan is the definition of what went wrong with care in the community.... :D

Still fortunately for us (if not for him) we have a very powerful tool at our disposal which can render his insane rantings and far more unpleasant incitements invisible. It's called the ignore button, it's free and when scrupulously applied to this character's output, will ensure that as few people as possible are exposed to his nonsense.

I'm expecting Iran style sanctions to be imposed on me the moment I hit that button..... :D

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It will not be a dictatorship at all, but a strong democracy. Also pressing the igoring button, means you have lost the agument and you have failed! :p: :D

Also the only insane people that are on F are people that defend a failed political, social and economic system!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...012/03/105.jpg

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"igoring" button - sounds like a good modification to the forum....

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A "strong democracy" imposed on people - must be a new definition of democracy I hadn't come across before......:dozey:

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KABOOM you dirty capitalist :D

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I'm being serious now Alan, so don't take this the wrong way. But I really do think you should seek psychiatric help.

If anyone I knew was beaving the way you do, and coming out with such rants, then I would seek help for them.

Please consider it before you self destruct, and end up in full time care.

Like I said, this isn't a joke, I'm being serious, as I am really concerned about you.

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I think a warning button, where it flags up a warning sign would be good also.