MH17 Passenger Jet was shot down by Russia - Dutch Officials say
 

BREAKING: https://news.sky.com/story/mh17-plan...ssile-11383700

Re: MH17 Passenger Jet was shot down by Russia Dutch Officials say
 

I for one am shocked.

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How long until the useful idiots turn up on RT or Twitter to question this you reakon?

Re: MH17 Passenger Jet was shot down by Russia Dutch Officials say
 

Let's assume it was the Russians, even though the missile is re-markedly intact. The reason for it being there is attacks by the Ukrainian Air Force. If Syrian rebels are allowed to shoot down aircraft, why not in that situation? One side with an air force attacking the other that doesn't have one.

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oh dear, that's not going to go down well :shocked:

One now fully expects Russia to reveal it has completed its own investigation, and the traitorous unit commander (scapegoat), and his final resting place, will be revealed shortly :D

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You appear to be justifying Russia shooting down a Malaysian civilian passenger airliner which was overflying a country on it's way to its destination by comparing it to Syrian rebels shooting down a Russian warplane which was involved in attacking the rebels - am I misunderstanding what you wrote?

Civilian aircraft have transponders identifying the fact that they are civilian, and the flight was at 33000 feet, not the normal operating height for ground attack aircraft - the SU25 which was shot down in Syria was undertaking groud support attack activities.

One was a war aircraft participating in war zone, one was a civilian passenger aircraft flying over it - big difference.

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Yes, legitimising shooting down a civilian aircraft isn't going to go down well. Utterly disgusting.

edit: Sorry Carth! I just noticed you were referring to Russia and not nomad's post. :dunce:

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I've just been reading this stuff . . interesting when you get down to the 'radar, aircraft recognition' parts

http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17....hot-down-mh17/

Civilian aircraft do not carry equipment to respond to a IFF interogation. An exception are airliners from Canada and the US. So IFF is primarily for military aircraft.

In case an Ukraine BUK was used by separatists the operator would target military aircraft of Ukraine. However a missile would not lock on a friendly aircraft because of IFF. The missile could only lock on non friendly targets like MH17. This for sure must have been noticed by the operator. The operator can only launch on a friendly aircraft by overruling IFF notice.

In case a Russian BUK would have been used, both for an Ukraine military aircraft and MH17 would appear to the operator as enemy aircraft.

Not that it makes any difference, just wondering how you could mistake a civilian airliner for a legitimate target with all the technology available. How someone decided it was a target is beyond me . . murder most foul

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However, most civil aircraft have a transponder which transmits the aircraft height, speed, altitude, registration and flightnumber on a radio frequency - IFF is just part of a targeting system.

As you say, how could they mistake a civilian airliner for a military target - probably didn't care.

Re: MH17 Passenger Jet was shot down by Russia Dutch Officials say
 

Words fail me.

Re: MH17 Passenger Jet was shot down by Russia Dutch Officials say
 

That's a first! :D

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Re: MH17 Passenger Jet was shot down by Russia - Dutch Officials say
 

The BUK system is designed to operate with a dedicated target acquisition radar array which can be data linked to several launchers. However, an individual launcher vehicle can also operate autonomously and acquire low-mid altitude targets with an integral back-up radar system.

The crew may well have tried to acquire a low altitude target and missed hopelessly, thus MH17 was in the wrong place at the wrong time and in the upward trajectory of the missile in radar homing mode.

The problem here is getting the Russians to admit that they had and have regular air defence forces operating in the area let alone the fact that they appear to have made one monumental screw-up.

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The Russians making a mistake and killing the innocent? I am shocked!

Re: MH17 Passenger Jet was shot down by Russia Dutch Officials say
 

Shocked? I thought we had already guessed!

Re: MH17 Passenger Jet was shot down by Russia Dutch Officials say
 

Is that sarcasm? :confused: