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qasdfdsaq

13-03-2012 10:58

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Sephiroth

13-03-2012 12:46

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35398254)

Yes. And your point is?

Do you have any evidence to back-up this claim?

This was about most people wanting increased upload. I think that your question was put more out of contrariness (as usual) than substance.

It's like most people want lower taxes. You don't need evidence for the realms of the bleedin' obvious. Even if AndrewCrawford should have said "many" instead of "most" his point is sound seeing how upload activities have increased significantly in recent months.

Then it becomes a less easy to answer matter of who prefers BT Infinity and its upload speed offer for a single tier (40/10) or VM's offer for 50/5 or 100/10?

Gamers would prefer BT Infinity because of its better latency. (So don't ask where the evidence is for that). But, perversely, BT Infinity isn't yet available everywhere that VM cable is.

qasdfdsaq

13-03-2012 13:00

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

I should point out, Openreach confirmed the following publicly yesterday:

FTTC 80mbps download with 20mbps upload will be released 10th April. That compares favourably to VM who haven't even finished rolling out 50/5 in some areas yet (but might do by then)

Prioritisation rate (in effect, guaranteed minimum speed) is doubling from 15mbps to 30mbps.

Fault threshold is being removed, new monitoring systems are being put in, so it's easier to get OR to investigate faults.

You still get 90 days in which to cancel, get a full refund, and termination without penalty if your line doesn't get at least 50% of the predicted speed when you ordered.

Infinity is *expected* to exceed 40% household coverage by this summer and 66% by the end of next year, so will probably overtake VM's cable coverage somewhere around the end of 2012/early 2013.

carlwaring

13-03-2012 13:06

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35398536)

This was about most people wanting increased upload. I think that your question was put more out of contrariness (as usual) than substance.

You can think what you like. Doesn't mean you're right.

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It's like most people want lower taxes. You don't need evidence for the realms of the bleedin' obvious. Even if AndrewCrawford should have said "many" instead of "most" his point is sound seeing how upload activities have increased significantly in recent months.

Then you won't have any problem providing empirical evidence, will you.

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Gamers would prefer BT Infinity because of its better latency. (So don't ask where the evidence is for that).

Why not?

daggman

13-03-2012 13:28

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

Makes me laugh , i like playing video games and in the video game world there are people who side with there console and becomes FANboys, never tought i would see FANboys of a cable company.

Sirius

13-03-2012 13:31

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by daggman (Post 35398571)

Makes me laugh , i like playing video games and in the video game world there are people who side with there console and becomes FANboys, never tought i would see FANboys of a cable company.

You can bet some nerds get off on this site, Its like NERD porn to them.

craigj2k12

13-03-2012 14:48

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35398575)

You can bet some nerds get off on this site, Its like NERD porn to them.

I know the kind of people.... the ones who get excited over.....

Spoiler:

qasdfdsaq

13-03-2012 15:36

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

Naked women is nerd porn to this nerd.

carlwaring

13-03-2012 15:55

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by daggman (Post 35398571)

Makes me laugh , i like playing video games and in the video game world there are people who side with there console and becomes FANboys, never tought i would see FANboys of a cable company.

Right. Because people should just be able to say anything they like without question :rolleyes:

Them: People want more upload speed
Me: Prove it.
Them: Don't need to, fanboy.

Hardly compelling evidence, really :(

craigj2k12

13-03-2012 15:57

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35398675)

Right. Because people should just be able to say anything they like without question :rolleyes:

.....no matter how stupid

but if its stupid, dont complain if you get corrected

carlwaring

13-03-2012 16:02

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35398679)

.....no matter how stupid.

Yes. Saying things you can't back up is indeed stupid.

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..but if its stupid, dont complain if you get corrected

I don't. Others seem to though.

Still not seen any proof yet. Just a lot bitchy comments.

Tim Deegan

13-03-2012 16:04

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by telfordcable (Post 35398036)

I cannot understand why is Virgin Media upgrade to 60 Meg from 30 Meg in the next 18 months is too long while BT had confirmed that all UK who had FTTC 40 Meg Down /10 Meg Up will be upgrade to 80 Meg Down / 20 Meg Up in early April with a nationwide instant (no area by area roll out)

Virgin Media took too long 18 months area by area roll out is a joke!
Virgin Media 30 Meg down upgrade to 60 Meg down is a joke!
Virgin Media 3 Meg up (upgrade) to 6 Meg up is a joke!

Only BT FTTC 80 Meg down and 20 Meg up in Early April will beat Virgin Media 60 Meg down and 6 Meg up. Virgin Media should have 80 Meg down and 20 Meg up to match BT.

If BT FTTC available in my area, I will say goodbye to Virgin Media because upgrade to double speed in the next 18 months is far too long to wait, and upload should have done better!

Well phone VM and pay to upgrade then!!

qasdfdsaq

13-03-2012 16:24

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35398675)

Ah yes, the whole Me and Them argument.

I said for most people download speed isn't an issue. Evidenced by 71% of VM customers choosing to stay on the slowest package available - 10mb or below. From VM's own results publications.[1]

And 95% of UK customers are on 24mb or below. Only 5% of all UK customers opt for 30, 40, 50, or 100mb services combined, despite >50% having at least 50mb available to them. From OFCOM's government commissioned survey.[2]

You said for most people upload speed isn't an issue. Where's your compelling evidence?

We've not seen any evidence from you either, just a lot of bitchy comments.

Sephiroth

13-03-2012 16:31

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35398556)

.....

[SEPH]: Gamers would prefer BT Infinity because of its better latency. (So don't ask where the evidence is for that).

Why not?

Because, Nerd, gaming requires low latency (particlarly low jitter). BT Infinity latency vs VM Cable latency is already a proven fact via the TBB graph.

As a matter of interest, have you got any evidence of anything that is of relevance?

qasdfdsaq

13-03-2012 16:37

Re: Virgin Media should have matched BT FTTC

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35398708)

Because, Nerd, gaming requires low latency (particlarly low jitter). BT Infinity latency vs VM Cable latency is already a proven fact via the TBB graph.

And confirmed by OFCOM's government commissioned tests, as referenced above.

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