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Digital Fanatic 21-02-2012 10:23
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35385146)
Nobody holds a grudge like a scouser. :rolleyes:

It was despicable, but it was also a long time ago. If the footballing world was as unforgiving of Liverpool as some Liverpool fans are of the Sun, the team would still be barred from Europe thanks to that murderous rampage around the Heysel stadium. But we don't shout and stamp our feet about that any more, do we.
To be fair here Chris, If the people of Liverpool had actually had a real apology and not that half arsed one, then maybe we would forgive. Heysel is a shame the City is more than aware of.

Alan Fry 21-02-2012 10:46
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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35385490)
To be fair here Chris, If the people of Liverpool had actually had a real apology and not that half arsed one, then maybe we would forgive. Heysel is a shame the City is more than aware of.
The Heysel Stadium is now called King Baudouin Stadium

Kymmy 21-02-2012 11:00
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The Heysel Stadium is now called King Baudouin Stadium

Off topic, please return to the topic in question

TheDaddy 21-02-2012 11:16
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The local paper gets delivered for free every thursday.. Only time I've ever looked at it is to check if there's any local carboot sales about. I wish I could stop it from being delivered as it's a waste of paper just like 99% of printed daily/weekly media
Sellotape a little sign above the letter box saying "no free newpapers" will probably do the trick...

Alan Fry 21-02-2012 12:21
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Kymmy 21-02-2012 14:42
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35385536)
Sellotape a little sign above the letter box saying "no free newpapers" will probably do the trick...
You mean I don't have to electrify the letterbox :D

The larger of the two doggies normally grabs it and rips it up anyway.. he seems to enjoy the game..

Sirius 21-02-2012 18:00
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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35385424)
I can fully see where you are coming from Peter and its good to see people sticking by their principles in Liverpool what the sun did was disgusting and for years Kelvin McKenzie defended the indefensible and even now probably believes the sun printed the truth.:(
Its the same attitude i have towards the thugs from the miners union that went visiting people at night who they claimed were scabs , Never will i let that leave my mind and it will be with me till the day they put me in a box. Some people have said let it drop after all this time but some things should NEVER be allowed to be forgotten. Its the same for News international what they have done should never be allowed to be forgotten.

Chris 21-02-2012 19:15
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35385808)
Its the same attitude i have towards the thugs from the miners union that went visiting people at night who they claimed were scabs , Never will i let that leave my mind and it will be with me till the day they put me in a box. Some people have said let it drop after all this time but some things should NEVER be allowed to be forgotten. Its the same for News international what they have done should never be allowed to be forgotten.
That's not the same at all. That would be like holding the entire pit villages the thugs came from permanently responsible for what went on.

Kelvin MacKenzie no longer works for News International. He hasn't worked for them for years. There is next-to-nobody anywhere at the Sun today who was there when the Hillsborough story was printed. There is absolutely nobody anywhere on the news floor that had anything to do with it.

A boycott is normally supposed to achieve some aim. People boycott Nestle because they believe economic pressure might influence its marketing of infant formula milk in third world countries. Boycotting the Sun in Liverpool seems to serve no purpose. What could the aim be? To get someone sacked? They've all gone anyway - some of them have retired, it was that long ago. To extract an apology? The paper has done so, fully and unequivocally.

The only reason I can see for all this venom is that hating the Sun has become part of the definition of a scouser. Just as you're not a true cockney unless you were born within earshot of Bow Bells, you're not a true Scouser unless you remind anyone who will listen, at every opportunity, about a horrible thing the Sun printed 20-plus years ago. And when a community defines itself by the things it hates, it's in a very sorry condition indeed.

Peter_ 21-02-2012 21:37
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35385859)
That's not the same at all. That would be like holding the entire pit villages the thugs came from permanently responsible for what went on.

Kelvin MacKenzie no longer works for News International. He hasn't worked for them for years. There is next-to-nobody anywhere at the Sun today who was there when the Hillsborough story was printed. There is absolutely nobody anywhere on the news floor that had anything to do with it.

A boycott is normally supposed to achieve some aim. People boycott Nestle because they believe economic pressure might influence its marketing of infant formula milk in third world countries. Boycotting the Sun in Liverpool seems to serve no purpose. What could the aim be? To get someone sacked? They've all gone anyway - some of them have retired, it was that long ago. To extract an apology? The paper has done so, fully and unequivocally.

The only reason I can see for all this venom is that hating the Sun has become part of the definition of a scouser. Just as you're not a true cockney unless you were born within earshot of Bow Bells, you're not a true Scouser unless you remind anyone who will listen, at every opportunity, about a horrible thing the Sun printed 20-plus years ago. And when a community defines itself by the things it hates, it's in a very sorry condition indeed.
I expect the owners will be hoping nothing comes out to make their rag even more unpalatable to people as somewhere the truth will still exist as to the sources who gave them their nasty little story.

This company has never really had the decency to apologise to the city of Liverpool in a meaningful way, but I doubt even that will ever happen.

Now if it happened in your home town or anyone else reading this I rather doubt you would go "Oh well its been 20+ years and we are still fighting for the truth lets just pack it up and forget about it" get real.

Maybe you should click this link read the article and listen to Anne Williams the mother of Hillsborough victim Kevin Williams aged 15 who died not at 3:15 pm as they would like you to believe but around 4pm.

CLICK ME.

If my 15 year old had died in this way I would still want answers even after all this time.

Chris 21-02-2012 21:44
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I have no need to read up or listen in. I grew up in Merseyside and just like everyone else in Merseyside I was in some way connected with at least one family that suffered an injury or death that day. I supported Liverpool like most of my classmates and was listening to the radio coverage live as it happened.

I know just as much of the story as you do. The difference is, not actually being from Liverpool, I'm not affected by the destructive, negative groupthink that insists boycotting a newspaper (and hounding people out of town when they disagree, c.f. Wayne Rooney) is ever going to achieve anything.

Damien 21-02-2012 22:08
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35385970)
If my 15 year old had died in this way I would still want answers even after all this time.
Nobody has an issue with Liverpool fans and the families of those who suffered to continue to seek answers into what happened that day. However that has nothing to do with The Sun article which, as Chris has stated, has nothing to do with any of the people involved with The Sun today.

Peter_ 21-02-2012 22:33
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35385992)
Nobody has an issue with Liverpool fans and the families of those who suffered to continue to seek answers into what happened that day. However that has nothing to do with The Sun article which, as Chris has stated, has nothing to do with any of the people involved with The Sun today.
I think Hillsborough is reason enough not to buy either newspaper regardless of who works their today as it still bears the same name, one closed but is having a rebirth which is a shame.

As I said a few times if it was your home town you would or should feel the same.

If I was a newsagent neither paper would be on sale in my shop.

Chris 21-02-2012 23:26
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35386007)
As I said a few times if it was your home town you would or should feel the same.
And this sums up exactly what's wrong with that mindset.

AdamD 22-02-2012 06:24
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I don't read or want to look at gutter/trailer trash rubbish, so no. :P

Peter_ 22-02-2012 07:20
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35386019)
And this sums up exactly what's wrong with that mindset.
Nothing wrong there and no we should not let "Bygones be bygones" that rag is a nasty piece of work and no one should forget what they tried to do.


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