Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
 

the figure is from your link £1.3 billion in benefit fraud

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...-at-record-low

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That's not the figure you helpfully typed out for us though is it, I think we might have just seen how easy it is for errors to occur

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if that's the core of your arguments a typo or misspelling does not account for 1.3 billion pounds of theft, i think what we are seeing here is how willing some are to sweep this under the rug and hide it

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No the core of my argument is 0.8% of a budget being lost through fraud or error isn't bad, the figure might be large in it's self but compared to how large the budget is and how much vilification claimants endure it's nothing and that figure is only going to go down as it becomes easier to spot the fraudsters to.

And I'm not trying to hide anything, just putting it into context.

Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
 

The fraud figures are for proven or provable fraud. What is actually going on is a different matter. You only have to look at benefit programmes on TV to see so many that are very able, but are still claiming benefits.

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but the figure is a staggering amount ,this isn't pocket change it's £1.3 billion
putting the fluffy bunny approach to it by saying it's only 0.8% doesn't change the fact that it's in the £billions, if i wrote it on the side of a bus would that spark some interest ;)

just think what the NHS could do with £1.3 billion

Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
 

It's the about the same staggering amount they found for the DUP. All from the 'magic money tree' to keep Theresa temporarily in her job, pocket change obviously.

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labour voter ?

Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
 

Indeed and the magic money tree The Conservatives used to find the £1.5 billion for the DUP to keep themselves in power....

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What if he is a Labour voter so what as he is entitled to vote for whoever he wants too...

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The "magic money tree remark" which the Conservatives are quick to throw around unless it suits their own political ends.;)

Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
 

Actually, no.

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libtard? ;)

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we know how labour voters and benefits are tied at the hip

Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
 

Strange that as just taking most our family as a example who have worked all their working lives as quite a few of them would vote for Labour so please give me your extremely wise educated wisdom on that if you may??

Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.
 

Could be worse, could be an alt-right broflake. ;)

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nice - broflake i like it ;)

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Really? Are you sure? I thought it was going to be spent on stuff in N. Ireland which will be of benefit to all communities. You know stuff like mental health services. Yes of course it's politically motivated but it was a hell of a lot less than Corbyn's £100,000,000,000 bribe to students in an effort to gain power. That's what politicians do isn't it?

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Fraud is common within the benefits system sadly whether it be making entirely false claims for benefits or failing to notify changes of circumstances etc. Inevitably the genuine are then required to jump through additional hurdles to claim and retain what they're fully entitled to. It's all very well some people saying we should, effectively, turn a blind eye to fraud but if we do that the amount of fraud in the system will increase and that is also depriving genuine claimants of much needed resources. At some point we have to try to put a stop to it and yes that will mean perfectly decent, needy, people having to be more thoroughly assessed and go through appeals.