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Mr K 07-01-2016 11:22
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35815909)
JC got 251,000 votes in the leadership election, Labour got 9,347,000 votes in the 2015 General Election - less than 1 in 37 of those who voted Labour (if you don't count the Tory spoilers or the arrivistes from far-left organisations) voted for JC as Labour leader.

"Massive mandate" = <3% of Labour voters...
Going by your weird calculation Hugh, Cameron got the Conservative leadership with 134,000 votes which is 1.1% of those that voted Tory at the last GE. So Comrade Corbyn has about 3 times the mandate of Cameron.

I love statistics , you can do and prove anything you want with them ;)

Hugh 07-01-2016 11:25
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Cameron does have a mandate - he won the 2015 General Election with nearly 11 million votes. ;)

Corbyn's "massive mandate" (according to you) is less than 1/40th of that...

And in a pre-emptive rebuttal to "but Corbyn wasn't in charge then", here are the end of 2015 poll results for Jezza.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/
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Over the New Year the Times had an end of year YouGov poll, conducted in mid-December. The tables went up on the YouGov website today here. Topline figures were CON 39%, LAB 29%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 3%. The rest of the poll, covering a lot of the trackers that YouGov used to ask on the regular daily polls, illustrate some of the real problems facing Labour as well as a couple of opportunities.

The net doing well/doing badly figures for the party leaders are minus 6 for David Cameron, minus 13 for Tim Farron, minus 18 for Nigel Farage and minus 32 for Jeremy Corbyn. Not long into the job Corbyn already has pretty dire figures (to be fair, they are up since YouGov last asked when it was minus 41 – albeit at the time of the Syria vote). On who would make the best Prime Minister David Cameron has a solid twenty-six point lead over Corbyn, on 49% to Corbyn’s 23%.
Obviously Jezza has a "massive mandate" from the voting public... :D

Mr K 07-01-2016 11:26
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35816003)
Cameron does have a mandate - he won the 2015 General Election. ;)
with less than 1 in 4 of the voters ! sad state of our democracy really.

Hugh 07-01-2016 11:31
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
How is 36.7% less than 1 in 4 voters?

Sad state of your arithmetic, really...

Jezza got a massive mandate from a small pool of voters, Cameron got a mandate from the voting population of the UK - not statistics, facts...

Mr K 07-01-2016 11:39
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35816006)
How is 36.7% less than 1 in 4 voters?

Sad state of your arithmetic, really....
1 in 4 of the electorate. (conservative votes last election 11.3 million, electorate 46.4 million - 24.3%, ie. less than 1 in 4 of those eligible to vote.

techguyone 07-01-2016 11:46
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Whiffle & piffle all you like, reality is that while Corby is in power you've got more chance of seeing God than Labour getting into power, but hey let's wait until 2020 and see (if he's still the leader by then)

tweetiepooh 07-01-2016 12:34
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
But not everyone voted. If only 50% voted that means the Tories would have 46% of the voters who bothered.

Hugh 07-01-2016 15:31
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35816010)
1 in 4 of the electorate. (conservative votes last election 11.3 million, electorate 46.4 million - 24.3%, ie. less than 1 in 4 of those eligible to vote.
Oh, you're counting those who didn't vote in your calculation - unusual.

But in the real world, Cameron won...

btw, you may find this of interest.

http://ukgeneralelection2020.blogspo....html?spref=fb

Quote:
Current Probability of possible outcomes #UKGE2020 by Electoral Calculus

CON MAJ 72%
LAB MAJ 1%
;)

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Probability of possible outcomes

Conservative majority 72%
Con/Nat coalition 15%
Con choice of Lib/Nat 6%
Nat choice of Con/Lab 4%
Lab/Nat coalition 2%
Lab choice of Lib/Nat 1%
Labour majority 1%

The future is never certain. But using our advanced modelling techniques, we can estimate the probability of the various possible outcomes at the next general election. ('Nat' means SNP+PlaidC)

Osem 07-01-2016 15:54
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35816026)
But not everyone voted. If only 50% voted that means the Tories would have 46% of the voters who bothered.
Yeah but those who weren't eligible to vote would all have opted for Labour if they'd had the chance so things aren't as bad for Corbyn as they seem... :D

Hugh 07-01-2016 18:37
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35251427

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The co-chairman of Labour's defence review, Ken Livingstone, has said it does not matter whether the UK is in Nato as the Cold War is "over".

The former London Mayor told the BBC's Daily Politics Nato membership would be one of the issues his review would probably be looking at.

Labour put out a statement afterwards saying it was not part of the review.
Nice to see joined-up policy-making...

Osem 07-01-2016 19:14
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35816097)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35251427



Nice to see joined-up policy-making...
'Twas ever thus amongst Labour's loony left. They've clearly learned nothing over the decades.

roughbeast 07-01-2016 19:47
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
There is no kerfuffle about this reshuffle except the kerfuffle that exists in media fantasies.

The media think they can decide the timetable of this kind of decision making. If JC had done the reshuffle in an instant it would have been touted as 'revenge sacking'. Because he took time to think, consult and be balanced he is accused of being dithering and confused. The media, including, I am afraid to say, The Guardian, are still utterly confused by JC's brand of democracy. They won't rest until they get rid of him and can say, "It is us wot dun it."

As for the resigning shadow ministers: They clearly have not got over JC winning the leadership election with a ground swell of public opinion. Why do they remind me of the GOP and their attitude to Obama? They are only democratic when it suits them.

Mr Banana 07-01-2016 20:30
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 35816116)
There is no kerfuffle about this reshuffle except the kerfuffle that exists in media fantasies.

The media think they can decide the timetable of this kind of decision making. If JC had done the reshuffle in an instant it would have been touted as 'revenge sacking'. Because he took time to think, consult and be balanced he is accused of being dithering and confused. The media, including, I am afraid to say, The Guardian, are still utterly confused by JC's brand of democracy. They won't rest until they get rid of him and can say, "It is us wot dun it."

As for the resigning shadow ministers: They clearly have not got over JC winning the leadership election with a ground swell of public opinion. Why do they remind me of the GOP and their attitude to Obama? They are only democratic when it suits them.
He is still an unelectable idiot though.

Chris 07-01-2016 20:31
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 35816116)
There is no kerfuffle about this reshuffle except the kerfuffle that exists in media fantasies.

The media think they can decide the timetable of this kind of decision making. If JC had done the reshuffle in an instant it would have been touted as 'revenge sacking'. Because he took time to think, consult and be balanced he is accused of being dithering and confused. The media, including, I am afraid to say, The Guardian, are still utterly confused by JC's brand of democracy. They won't rest until they get rid of him and can say, "It is us wot dun it."

As for the resigning shadow ministers: They clearly have not got over JC winning the leadership election with a ground swell of public opinion. Why do they remind me of the GOP and their attitude to Obama? They are only democratic when it suits them.
Wow ... I've seen some deluded posts on this forum over the years but that takes some beating. :Yikes: ;)

There was no "ground swell of public opinion" behind the election of Jeremy Corbyn. As has been repeatedly posted in this thread today, those that elected him amount to less than 3% of the British electorate.

This massive, collective self-deception amongst the Corbynistas over how popular (or otherwise) he really is, is really going to sting come the 2020 election.

roughbeast 07-01-2016 21:34
Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
 
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Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35816124)
He is still an unelectable idiot though.
Well argued. Glad to see our education system is producing such wonderful debating skills.:erm:


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