Corbyn's kerfuffle
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35239232

Well so little has been a long time coming and rumours about large scale revolts abound but I see unilateralist 'white van woman' has been promoted to Shadow Defence Secretary. I guess this must be his 'new politics' in action but to anyone who grew up in the 1970's it's all very samey...

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They apparently had a phonecall from Sir John Chilcot asking them to hurry up and announce the reshuffle.....

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So much for a night of the long knives. More like a failed attempt with a fruit peeler.

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I've never heard of any of these shadow ministers that have resigned.They seem to have forgot what a massive mandate Corbyn has, and don't accept democracy. Hopefully they'll be deselected as they're representing nobody except themselves.

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They represent their constituents, first and foremost, which is a far broader sample of the British electorate than that which voted Corbyn into leadership.

And given that one of Ed's many dubious actions as leader of the Labour Party was to open the leadership election to any idiot with £3 to spare, I don't think anyone who follows politics in any way at all, is taken in by all that "massive mandate" guff.

Corbyn was elected by soap dodging Trots and gleeful Tory infiltrators, all of whom taken together account for a minuscule proportion of the electorate he will ask to support him in 2020.

If he is still in charge at the next election, it will be a bloodbath.

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You can't reason with them either. Everything is a media conspiracy against them. It's like talking to the SNP supporters again.

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JC got 251,000 votes in the leadership election, Labour got 9,347,000 votes in the 2015 General Election - less than 1 in 37 of those who voted Labour (if you don't count the Tory spoilers or the arrivistes from far-left organisations) voted for JC as Labour leader.

"Massive mandate" = <3% of Labour voters...

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Nice spin Hugh old chap ! And what percentage did his opponents get ?

Could mention that the Tories got less than 1 in 4 of the electorate's vote at the General Election, but won't do that or we'll spinning stats all night ;)

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Yes well he's certainly set the benchmark hasn't he... :D

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Even less, but so what? The point is that those MPs who still oppose him, despite his supposedly "massive mandate", are the ones that understand he will have to garner the support of the electorate at large, and not just the assorted yoghurt knitters, tofu chompers and soap dodgers who stumped up their £3 to vote for him last year.

A credible party leader has got to look like a potential prime minister. It makes no difference how dazzled are those of a certain political outlook, if he is not similarly impressive in the eyes of those from Labour's wider pool of potential support, then they are sunk.

The MPs who resigned today are the only ones, it seems, who are prepared to stand up and declare what everyone outside of the Labour Left already knows to be true.

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An Labour got even less than the Torries , so when you put it like that Corbyns mandate is extremely weak in terms of the conutry as a whole. Weaker than the Torries mandate.

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What he said :tu:

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Corbyn himself doesn't have a mandate from the last election. He wasn't leader then.

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36.9% of the electorate isn't 1 in 4*, and is still much, much more than <3%.....;)

*That would be 25%

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I kinda did a WTf when a 1 in 37 was compared to a 1 in 4, that really is a bit desperate.

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Going by your weird calculation Hugh, Cameron got the Conservative leadership with 134,000 votes which is 1.1% of those that voted Tory at the last GE. So Comrade Corbyn has about 3 times the mandate of Cameron.

I love statistics , you can do and prove anything you want with them ;)

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Cameron does have a mandate - he won the 2015 General Election with nearly 11 million votes. ;)

Corbyn's "massive mandate" (according to you) is less than 1/40th of that...

And in a pre-emptive rebuttal to "but Corbyn wasn't in charge then", here are the end of 2015 poll results for Jezza.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/ Obviously Jezza has a "massive mandate" from the voting public... :D

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with less than 1 in 4 of the voters ! sad state of our democracy really.

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How is 36.7% less than 1 in 4 voters?

Sad state of your arithmetic, really...

Jezza got a massive mandate from a small pool of voters, Cameron got a mandate from the voting population of the UK - not statistics, facts...

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1 in 4 of the electorate. (conservative votes last election 11.3 million, electorate 46.4 million - 24.3%, ie. less than 1 in 4 of those eligible to vote.

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Whiffle & piffle all you like, reality is that while Corby is in power you've got more chance of seeing God than Labour getting into power, but hey let's wait until 2020 and see (if he's still the leader by then)

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But not everyone voted. If only 50% voted that means the Tories would have 46% of the voters who bothered.

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Oh, you're counting those who didn't vote in your calculation - unusual.

But in the real world, Cameron won...

btw, you may find this of interest.

http://ukgeneralelection2020.blogspo....html?spref=fb

;)

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Yeah but those who weren't eligible to vote would all have opted for Labour if they'd had the chance so things aren't as bad for Corbyn as they seem... :D

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35251427

Nice to see joined-up policy-making...

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'Twas ever thus amongst Labour's loony left. They've clearly learned nothing over the decades.

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There is no kerfuffle about this reshuffle except the kerfuffle that exists in media fantasies.

The media think they can decide the timetable of this kind of decision making. If JC had done the reshuffle in an instant it would have been touted as 'revenge sacking'. Because he took time to think, consult and be balanced he is accused of being dithering and confused. The media, including, I am afraid to say, The Guardian, are still utterly confused by JC's brand of democracy. They won't rest until they get rid of him and can say, "It is us wot dun it."

As for the resigning shadow ministers: They clearly have not got over JC winning the leadership election with a ground swell of public opinion. Why do they remind me of the GOP and their attitude to Obama? They are only democratic when it suits them.

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He is still an unelectable idiot though.

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]Wow ... I've seen some deluded posts on this forum over the years but that takes some beating. :Yikes: ;)

There was no "ground swell of public opinion" behind the election of Jeremy Corbyn. As has been repeatedly posted in this thread today, those that elected him amount to less than 3% of the British electorate.

This massive, collective self-deception amongst the Corbynistas over how popular (or otherwise) he really is, is really going to sting come the 2020 election.

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Well argued. Glad to see our education system is producing such wonderful debating skills.:erm:

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Why make it more complicated than it is, he IS an unelectable idiot, but don't take my word for it, lets wait another 4 years and see it happen.

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No leader of any political party has been elected with such a large majority. That is indicative of a groundswell amongst those who have held back from voting at all because of Labour's previous Tory-lite policies. People joined the party to vote for him and have continued join in droves since. Despite all the negative media campaign and anti-democratic back stabbing in his party Labour still won the Oldham by-election, and with an increased share of the vote.

Gradually, sticking to his matter-of-fact non-hysterical style and his decency, he is winning ordinary people over, despite the massive misrepresentation, which you have clearly fallen victim to.

You could be right about 2020, but not for the reasons you give. The media and the right will stop at nothing to discredit JC and his policies. The last thing they want to return to is a mixed economy and the use of investment to promote growth. Austerity has been their main tool for shrinking the state, not for rescuing the economy. They know full well, and this is the big lie, that high immigration has rescued the economy. The rhetoric has been to cut immigration, but the policy has been to maintain it. This is the lie that helped them beat Miliband and which they will use in the run up to 2020.

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I find it amusing that the Corbyn supporters say the sacked Shadow Cabinet members deserve what happened because they were disloyal to Jeremy Corbyn (the man who voted against the Labour Leadership over 500 times).

Obviously irony is not their strong point...

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Agreed, this is poetic :) Labour are rapidly becoming a non-entity. Dave must think he is dreaming ..

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If there was another leadership election tomorrow corbyn would walk it, according to some presumably due to all those tory voters with nothing better to spend three quid on. It makes me lol that the press barons are pulling what little hair they have left out over this man, they couldn't wait to run the presses that oldham had been lost, Toby young was tweeting all week that they'd lost it and then attempted to paint the victory with an increased share as a disaster. They must be wondering what they have to do to get rid of him, all but wall to wall smears have done nothing but increase his popularity.

I like him and might well change the habit of a lifetime and vote Labour because of him.

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Kerfulle defn. - a commotion or fuss, especially one caused by conflicting views.

There's no kerfuffle within the Labour party regarding the reshuffle?? :rofl:

Course not... :rolleyes:

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Well it did produce Corbyn who seems incapable of learning the lessons of recent history :dozey:

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He is true to type. :shrug:

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There's a kerfuffle amongst a narrow clique of mp's only worried about their own careers and refusing to accept things have changed. The 99.9% that is the rest of the party seem to be glad to be shot of them.

And there is of course no 'kerfuffle' in the Tory party over Europe ;)

Interesting word 'kerfuffle', Scottish origin....
http://www.word-detective.com/2009/04/kerfuffle/

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There is certainly, so Feel free to start a thread on it eh. Or perhaps just have a look at the EU referendum thread...

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Corbyn's learned no lessons at all it seems to me. ;) He's behaving the same as he always did and as far as I can see believes in the same failed policy. Hypocrisy and ineptitude have always been rife within the Labour party. Watching Corbyn and his loony cohorts perform is like going back in time. :D

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Foot 2.0

:rofl:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35258182

But there's clearly no kerfuffle is there... :rofl:

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From Osem's link:

The Devil makes work for idle hands.:D

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This is nonsense on stilts.

In the real world, the impact Jeremy Corbyn is having even amongst those who voted Labour last May (and remember, there weren't even enough of them to win the election), is laid bare in approval polling by Yougov, discussed here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...my-Corbyn.html

Cameron's net approval amongst those who voted Tory in May is around double Corbyn's, in percentage point terms. And Cameron, unlike Labour, secured sufficient votes to win that election.

It does not take a genius to work out the trajectory Labour is now on, and will remain on unless something pretty fundamental changes between now and the next election (fundamental being, for example, Labour ditching Corbyn for a leader with appeal to the nation, as opposed to the hard-left insurgency that has been infiltrating the party over the last 6 months).

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Corbynites are nuts. At the moment they're outraged because the BBC managed to get one of the MPs to resign on the Daily Politics, it appears Kuenssberg heard of his impending resignation and got him to do it on their show.

This is normal considered a 'scoop' but actually it's a gross injustice from the BBC it seems. The BBC is now conspiring with the right-wing Labourites to damage Corbyn and so his loyal army has mobilized and done what they do best. A change.org petition: https://www.change.org/p/bbc-we-dema...berg-be-sacked

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Aye right ... because the BBC would in no way have pulled exactly the same stunt had it been a Tory MP.

The odd thing is, from here in Scotlandshire the behaviour of the Corbynites looks like it's exhibiting much of the same fevered paranoia and baseless triumphalism of the 2014 Yessers. The lesson from history is that it will all end in tears.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1452258913

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Pretty anyone devoted to a political faction seems to act like this now. Everyone and everything is a establishment* conspiracy against them. Only really the Tories and Lib-Dems seem not to do this. New Politics seems to mean cult like behavior.

*where the definition of establishment is 'anyone who disagrees with me'

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Sound quite neutrally descriptive doesn't it. Makes you wonder why they used Kerfuffle in a pejorative way then.

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I guess it's the way you tell 'em. The picture varies with the political colour of the source.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...labour-7003261

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There's nothing new about Corbyn or his politics. It's the same tired old garbage underpinned by the same bile and nastiness that was evident in the 1970's inside the Labour party, sections of the unions and other organisations like Militant. In their own way these people are just as extreme as the right wing fanatics they spend their lives whining about. Scrape the surface of Corby's Cronies and their nastiness really isn't very far underneath but they seem to think claiming to represent the working class gives them the right to behave like bullies and thugs.

It's rather like the student morons who routinely berate nasty Tories but think nothing of going around defacing war memorials, smashing up buildings, burning cars etc. when they can't get their way. :spin: :nutter:

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Well yes, you could cling to data that's a month out of date if you like. Or, you could refer to the net approval bar chart in my link, which includes figures for January, and shows Corbyn's net approval rating has been on a downward trend since the day he was voted in, and has dropped a further 4 points, to net +4%, between 17 December and 5 January.

Frankly, whether he was more or less popular than Ed Miliband on an arbitrary date at the beginning of last December is completely irrelevant. The direction of travel should send shivers down the spine of anyone who seriously wants to see a Labour government in 2020 (or bring tears of joy to those, like me, who do not).

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Being more popular than Ed Milliband.

Wow! What an achievement!

What's next - more popular than Peter Sutcliffe? ;)

A whole quarter, eh? :D

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This is a good example of what you mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt9NXPMft7M (I like watching his videos are getting angry at him). So much hate for the Tories (even more so for left-wing moderates) and contempt for everyone else. :rolleyes:

This is getting more common as far as I can see. Across the political spectrum. Cult like following of their political ideology.

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Is that Russell Brand's brother? :D

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One day he might reach the political heights of Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock. :D

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Theres no need for a debate, he is unelectable, completely out of touch with the way the majority of the country feels on a number of issues ie terrorism.

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You're telling me we like knee jerk reactions, u turns, lies and spivs in nice suits stitching us up all the time. Sounds like it's the public that's out of touch

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...tright-6470638

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Funny you should say that...

http://newsthump.com/2016/01/08/labo...rom-the-party/

;)

btw, talking of 'press bias', the fact that the author of the Mirror article has stated in one of his books that his favourite job was as a press officer for Ken Livingstone at the GLC May be relevant.

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If you insist on judging other people based on your own caricature of them, you will never understand them.

The statistics are quite clear. Regardless of what you think of the British public, it is clear the British public doesn't think much of Jeremy Corbyn. No amount of railing against people and telling them they are out of touch is going to change that fact. You just make yourself sound like a beardy old Trot foaming on about false consciousness.

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How nice of Corbyn's cronies and desperate supporters to tell the public and everyone else who disagrees that they're out of touch. Cameron's success was managed by Lynton Crosby and it seems Corbyn's employed Comical Ali... :D

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I regard it a bit like this board, lots of people say nothing and either watch or ignore not interested (like a vast swathe of the populace) then you get a reasonably high number of posters who comment if not pro Conservative , then at least anti-Labour/left/far lefty

THEN

You get a dribble of posters who plaintively try and make their voices heard too, except that their message is so out there, they're not really taken seriously, undeterred they'll resort to more and more wibbly logic to promote their beliefs. Generally to limited or zero effect.

I don't feel this board is that far off a reflection of the bigger picture that is this country's electorate.

Just saying...

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No but we like someone/ a party that wants to protect our country

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Osem, Banana et al,

I am the first to accept that Corbyn has an uphill struggle against the joint campaign of the Tories, the Tory press, the Labour right and establishment Liberals. The astonishing thing Corbyn is still in a better than expected position in terms of popularity. Despite the lies, the misrepresentation and the back stabbing of those who oppose him, his personal style and high principles impress even those who are not his natural followers.

JC should keep on his current tack, put greenhorn errors behind him and continue to stick to policy debate rather than yahboo politics. Unlike most politicians he is a grown up with the welfare of people at his heart. I truly hope that will give him the edge as time moves on.

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I had a targeted visit by a new Labour member earlier today. He knew my name, the make up of the household, and the fact that I was ex-military and an ex-civil servant!

He wanted to know if Corbyn as leader was going to put me off voting for Labour. I told him that any Labour leader would put me off voting Labour.

"So you're a Conservative voter?" he asked.

"Not a chance" I replied.

"But it's a 2 horse race in Wales, and you don't want to waste your vote!"

I told him that it's not a 2 horse race at all, and support is draining from the old nags at every election.

He left muttering under his breath... in Welsh!

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Nothing astonishing about it, he's in no position to do much more than fight with various parts of his own party, the next GE is sufficiently far enough away that no one really gives a toss what he can or can't do. At this point in time he's no more than light entertainment for everyone but labour luvvies, and half of those hate him.

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They the same statistics you kept banging on about during the scotus referendum, they were quite clear then according to you only to result in the narrowest of scrapping home. And rather than a beardy old Trot I'd prefer to sound like what I am, someone that'd totally disillusioned with the smooth talking snake oil salesmen spivs that we have masquerading as professional politicians today.

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A 10.6% victory margin seems quite a bit more than 'scraping home'.

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The vast majority of them are professional liars that's for sure TD.

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Err, no - a narrow scraping home would have been a margin of less than 1 percentage point, as occurred, for example, in the Quebec independence referendum. The difference in Scotland was almost 11 points, which nobody - not even the Yes campaign - has tried to claim was a "scrape home" for No.

I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with anything anyway.

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I still prefer them to someone who wants to disarm the country!

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And me and many millions of others are sick of it. They (politicians) moan about voter apathy seemingly with realising or more likely caring that they're the cause of it.

The reason jezza, Farage and boris are popular is because they're open, they're happy to answer question or in bozos case admit readily he doesn't know. They're not little clones of each other, it's getting so it's almost impossible to tell which party one politician represents from another unless they're wearing a rosette and if parties behave to same and have the same policies then what's the point of voting for them at all, it's only going to end up with more of the same.

4 million people voted for the kippers and they got one mp, what's been done to ensure that doesn't happen again and their voice is heard, nothing. The snp got marginally more than the greens to become the third largest party in Westminster to incidentally and no one says a word about reform. Perhaps people might bare this in mind next time moves are a foot to force people to vote.

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Disarm us in what way? By getting rid of the nukes, can't see a problem myself, they're not truly independent and tie us to America. If we had our own nukes it might be different imo

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I have to agree with Daddy, maybe it is time for the two party system to go (although as we've already had a taste) coalitions seem to spend more time blocking/playing games with each other to score internal points. It's a nonsense that given voting numbers for say UKIP in this instance, they get pretty much zero to show for that. I don't agree however, about disarming nukes, and whilst there's a US involvement (we ARE part of NATO too you know) , the important bit (pushing the button) is entirely sovereign and down to us.
I'd sooner chew my own arms off than agree with Corbys traitorous view regarding terrorists/military related matters

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Cant see a problem? Fast forward 5 years and lets imagine Jezza somehow got into power and Nato had been dissolved. Putin to team, we need to send a message to show who's boss, lets nuke the Uk, they can't retaliate because that knob Jezza disarmed the UK and he is probably sat chatting to Isis at this moment regarding a settlement in the middle east, whilst Isis are running wild in London.

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Pathetic.

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We have a one-party system like the USA - The Rich People's Party. Corbyn may just break it. This is why the right and most of the corporately owned media are against him.

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Pathetic or the views of a concerned voter. I think this man could be the most dangerous person ever to lead this country, if he somehow got into power.

You may be envious of rich people but watch them leave along with business relocations if that moron was running the country.

How would he manage things then, with the country bankrupt

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Strange language from a Labour MP who supports Corbyn about his neighbouring MP who resigned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35242618

Sounds familiar...

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All too! Nasty bile filled people.

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Did he actually say that? I remember him saying we should stop and think about how wise it was to continue expanding nato especially in eastern Europe since the cold war was over. Seems sensible advice to all politicians, stop and think before acting

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Please one minute he's the most dangerous threat to this country eve and the next his a joke. The media in particular want to make their minds upon this

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Pathetic

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And another one quits

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35281203

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There's no kerfuffle here... :rolleyes:

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Theses are not the kerfuffles you're looking for...

(waves hand languorously)

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The wrong sort of kerfuffle? :confused: ;)

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Linky

Somebody seems to have their head screwed on round the right way.

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Well for some, champagne and 'socialism' go hand in hand.

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1 million pound mansions in London made his statement loose some credibility for me

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Indeed but then also champagne and capitalism are a fair bed mate as well as most of us know.:)

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The main difference being that champagne socialists say one thing (in this case denouncing privilege, wealth etc.) and all too often do the opposite. It's called hypocrisy. ;)

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Then they have a lot in common with many of the politicians in the House of Commons then who say one thing and then do exactly the opposite.....

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35337432 Perhaps I am missing something, but as the Trident submarine fleet is designed to carry ballistic missiles, what is the point of them without the ballistic missiles?

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A sop to his union paymasters to keep them on-side. More pointless expenditure from the money tree.

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Maybe the point would be that in typical Labour fashion they could then 'save' many of the jobs which would otherwise be lost by abandoning Trident. Since when did Labour worry about creating non-jobs at public expense?
He'll be suggesting the RAF flies planes without bombs/missiles next... :nutter:



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They'd have most in common with those supposed 'men/women of the people' who've got where they are despite being no such thing. Labour's long been infested with them.

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Put loudspeakers on in place of the warheads that will play a sound effect of 'bang' really loudly.

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They could launch rocket propelled sternly worded letters.

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Agreed. In much of London a million pounds will barely buy a house and in some of London won't get much above a single bedroom flat, if that.

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:D

Or white flags of surrender maybe.

When Corbyn's removed as party leader, I'm sure he could have a lucrative future ahead of him in Eurolalaland. They appreciate stupid ideas after all...

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Judging from the deafening silence emanating from our lefty leaning friends, it may just be possible that even the hardened left are realising that he's made the Labour party unelectable while he's in power. I don't think Labour have a mechanism to remove him either if he doesn't step down. This may mean that they need to give up 2020 before a new character can be put into place.

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Yup and I'm sure the Tories will be delighted to see Corbyn in place for a very long time.

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Well, I like him (!) He's honest and hasn't changed his views or image to win votes. It may well be that he is 'unelectable' at the moment - but the next election is a long time away and a lot can happen. He's providing an opposition; the right of the labour party is only offering a Tory 'lite' agenda - what's the point ? - it denies people a choice.

Cameron/Clegg/Blair - you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference if you didn't know which party they were from. With Corbyn, you know you've got a difference and a choice. He'll be there to pick up the pieces when the Tory party inevitably presses the the self destruct button (it'll have the word 'Europe' on it, again !).

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Or flies without planes, especially when on aircraft carriers

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I agree and so do many millions more regardless of party politics

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Yeah, and they could fire paint!! Really freak the opposition out.

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Now you're just being silly.

I've had a better idea.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/01/24.png

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I think he is suggesting that they are converted to conventional weapons, which is feasible as the yanks have converted some of their Ohios to ssgns.