Will Scotland Leave the UK?
With all this debate on if Scotland should become Independent from the UK and how they migh be achived, I would like to ask, why should we do about Scotland?
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I think we should assist them in every way possible in the split. |
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It won't make any difference, it won't happen
Ironcially the UK treasury will be better off and stop having to subsidise Scotland However Scotland will attempt to lay claim to the oil and gas revenues It is more likely to happen when the North Sea oil and gas reserves dry up and the Atlantic reserves have to be opened up At that point the UK treasury will try the firesale |
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Please send us food parcels and beer. Mark the food parcels "Not fit for Salmond consumption" or they may not reach the needy.
If you don't we'll remove our ginger genes from the gene pool. ;) |
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If independance happens, be ready for the mass migration south.
That'll leave Salmond and his sheep in peace. |
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At the most, should they split from the UK, Westminster will broker a deal with them where they get paid to process it on our behalf. Either that or the probably more expensive suggestion of re-routing it around Scotland. |
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Scotland will not vote to split from England. Poll after poll after poll has shown that the settled will of the Scottish people is to remain in political union. Alex Salmond has a very good reason for delaying his referendum until 2014 - delaying it as long as possible is the only means he has of delivering the SNP's long-term pledge of a referendum whilst desperately hoping that something, anything, will transpire to turn public opinion around. He will also hope to complete a full five-year term in office having not spent four years of it being accused of having no legitimacy, the likely consequence of a referendum having been held and lost some time last year. Furthermore he will want to carve out a reputation for the SNP as a viable, alternative centre-left Government for Scotland so, having lost a referendum on independence in 2014 he can still go to the country in 2015 and ask for a third term as First Minister.
The electoral rules that return MSPs to Holyrood were designed to prevent the SNP from ever getting an outright majority. To an extent this suited Salmond perfectly as he is a pragmatist and a gradualist when it comes to achieving a split from the Union. He knows that the time is not now, and being able to blame a Parliament he did not control for denying him a referendum bill was very convenient. Only in the last stages of the 2010 election campaign, when an outright win for the SNP began to look possible, did the SNP start rolling back it's referendum commitment as far as it possibly could (that being a delay, not a cancellation). It is not properly appreciated south of the Border that the SNP won the election despite their separatist agenda, not because of it. They are the only effective opposition to Labour in Scotland and the overwhelming desire on the part of Scottish voters in 2010 was to get Labour out of power in Holyrood. ---------- Post added at 13:57 ---------- Previous post was at 13:53 ---------- Useful analysis in this morning's Torygraph by Labour's Douglas Alexander: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...sh-people.html |
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I my opnion, we should give more powers to scotland and alow them to rasie they own money for public spending, but as for indpendence, I do fell that this a good idea, my reasons are:
1. Scotland needs to be fianacally stable 2. How on earth are we going to split public boides liek the army etc 3. How would scotland be reprsented on the International stage? 4. What about the status of the Scot-Irish Catholic community? 5. What about the boder regions, The Scottish Borders are pretty much like Norhumberland, would they need passports just to go a few miles? 6. The status of the Royal Family? 7. Relations between Scotland and the rest of the British Isles? 8. Would the Independence of Scotland result in the further breakup of the UK? |
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Whilst I have no love for the Scots or the Welsh........... or the Cornish for that matter.
I think everybody in the country knows that a break up of the UK would be a very bad thing. If they do break up, would it be possible to remove Edinburgh and relocate it this side of the border, they can have the rest. |
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One Scot here that will be voting no.
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plenty fresh water to sell if they did leave
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Another Scot here that will be voting ''' NO '''
i am proud to be born and bred in Glasgow and i am also proud to be British and be part of the united kingdon .. nearly every Scot i know feels the same way and will be voting in the same way as myself. There is no way that this vote is going to go in the direction of a split,,it will be the usual 25-35% that vote for the yes vote..mainly the catholics and the socialists.. God save the queen :D:D:D:D |
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What about the Scots-Irish community (who are catholic) will they want Catholic Church to be given equal staus as the Church of Scotland, could they even want to breakaway or join Ireland?
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Once they realise that Westminster will no longer fund them it will die a quiet death, I believe that Salmond thinks he can have it both ways.
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Ultimatly I think that Scotland should be given more powers, but Independence, I am not so sure!
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I'm waiting for the Welsh to want independance, but as the were conqured but the English they can only be given there freedom.
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I for one think its a bad idea and just wish Salmond would kindly go away.
Such a stupid idea and it would not work. Besides 99% of the Scottish population wouldn't want indepenance anyway. |
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This something over indulgent politicians like to raise as an issue it isn't something i think the vast majority of scots either think about or care about and certainly have no intention of changing. Salmond i don't know even by political standards which for me are as low as can be right now just seems slimy and unpleasant he is a one view person who sits hoping for events to turn the world to his personal wants.
I think there is as much chance of scotland voting for independence as there is of a cure for my illness being announced in the next week it simply isn't going to happen no matter how much some up there might want it. But if major IF they did vote yes then fine split whats already there and then not a single penny more going north of the border that happens you'll have another vote within two years for rejoining the union. |
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My own view is that the SNP would be better campaigning for independence down here, polls have proven the English as a majority would vote for independence now given the opportunity but as ever in this great democracy we aren't given a say and that just how wee Alec likes it, bleat on knowing full well he'll never have to follow through and take responsibility for full blown independence. |
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Devolution was a pander to the nationalists i never heard any of my welsh or scottish friends banging on about wanting it or needing it and many of them are not happy with how it is working out for them. I guess some politicians have to stick to a point regardless of how many people they actually represent with it to feel they are needed or have meaning.
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Even communism had it's good points but as a whole you wouldn't want it and i think it is the same for devolution a few carrots doesn't make up for the utter mess of the whole if you see what i mean :).
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Communism - wonderful theory, then people/reality got involved....
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The SNP is now saying the referendum will take place in the autumn of 2014. Linkage to follow ...
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I just want the Scottish MPs not to be able to vote on matters pertaining to England.That's as independent as I want things to be.:erm:
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If Scotland did vote for independance would they have to apply for EU membership (should they want it) or would it be granted automatically?
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If Scotland were to break away from the United Kingdom then it would have to negotiate separate membership of any and all international bodies it wanted to join, including the EU.
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Are we all not a part of a island conjoined? (apart from Ireland)? If any broke away would they try and break away the land mass?
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BTW Salmond seems to have tried to beat Cameron to the punch and has set a date of 2014....
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So now the SNP have set a date, or a rough estimate of a date, what happens? Is there going to be a campaign for the pro-union side that we can donate too?
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There will doubtless be a joint Lib/Lab/Con campaign for a no vote, led, if they have any sense, by Labour.
Even with an outright majority at Holyrood the SNP did not achieve a popular majority in 2010 ... unionist parties between them got a little over 50% of the vote, and that in an election the SNP won despite, not because of, its separatist agenda. Incidentally, I have a ticket to BBC Radio Scotland's version of Question Time this Friday ... "Brian Taylor's Big Debate" ... Looks like I might have accidentally got a seat for the most important edition ever. Cannae wait! |
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Couldn't care less about Scotland wanting to leave the UK. The differences between Scotland and England seem to grow with time, and it's getting pretty boring Scottish MPs getting a say on matters that don't apply to Scotland while having devolved powers.
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I care a great deal. This is the UK, Britain. Scotland is part of that. It would be tragic to lose that...
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What he said.
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I'm fairly unconcerned by the prospects of Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland leaving the union. Scotland seem to want to be a socialist nirvana, they can pay for it themselves directly through raising their own revenues, Wales and Northern Ireland are extremely resource consuming. Things change. |
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I don't think the Scots so stupid to fall for Salmond.
Salmond, is a very good politician, however look behind Slamond and the SNP is devoid of any other charismatic member. The SNP are a one man party, Salmond is the SNP and vice versa and without him there is no SNP He wont be there forever. Do the Scots really want to be led to Independance by Salmond, and then dumped like a bride the day after her wedding. |
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Maybe Cameron should spike Salmond's guns by immediately setting up an alternative referendum as to whether the rest of the UK should leave Scotland.. :D
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with sheep noises?
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All Welsh folks hear sheep noises..... Even the half Welsh. :D
I'm told the Scots hear the sound of pure bred wild Haggis and the English the haunting sound of World Cup defeats and unruly Celts.... :D |
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Only choochters hear haggis - weegees hear the sound of breaking glass....
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tbf, the sound sheep make is more like "me-eh-eh-eh" rather than "baaaaa-aaa".;)
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Maybe Greater London, South East of England and East of England should breakaway from England and merge to form the City State of London |
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I Think I Might open a Forum saying "should London break away from England" |
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If Scottish MPs stopped voting on English matters, the Conservatives would have a near permanent majority and could choose to implement more cost cutting measures like the ones the current Government are introducing.
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Disaster for the London economy, the whole things collapses and we end up building a big wall around the M25 and turn the whole of London into a maximum security prison for the whole of the UK. Just one rule, once you go in, you don't come out. And then what would happen if a plane carrying the Prime Minister crashed inside the prison whilst he was on the way to a nuclear summit in Iran, and his speech was the only thing that might avert global thermo-nuclear war??? What would you do then?????????????????? You see, you see , you haven't thought it through ha ha ha ha ha ha........................NURSE |
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I was talke about Greater London and Large Parts of South East and East of England seperating from England to form "The State of London" |
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On Scotlands independence, heres something to think about before the vote.
Do we really want Scotland to have its own entry in the Eurovision Song Contest? |
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I keep trying to work out the implications of different results for this referendum. My main hope is a resounding defeat for the Yes camp, wouldn't this enable us to park for issue for a generation or more? If it was a narrow defeat, what would stop the SNP calling another one in the following Scottish Parliament (presuming they win a majority)? Finally, how would a No vote affect the SNP and Salmond's future? Could they continue without the independence issue?
I guess any win would mean independence within 5 to 10 years? |
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But then again, as I say every year -- Who cares? |
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If Scotland were to leave the UK, I wonder how the UK debt pile would be divided. Surely they won't get away with it Scot free
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