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Qtx	07-12-2017 20:07

Altered Carbon

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2261227/

Looking forward to this Cyberpunk series based on the book which starts in February next year. The visuals in the trailer are right up my street :)

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ALTERED CARBON is set in a future where consciousness is digitized and stored in cortical stacks implanted in the spine, allowing humans to survive physical death by having their memories and consciousness "re-sleeved" into new bodies. The story follows specially trained "Envoy" soldier Takeshi Kovacs, who is downloaded from an off-world prison and into the body of a disgraced cop at the behest of Laurens Bancroft, a highly influential aristocrat.

Trailer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM7Eob4YFDQ

Hugh	07-12-2017 20:11

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I would also recommend the books - Altered Carbon, Broken Angels, and Woken Furies.

General Maximus

09-12-2017 20:17

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looks really good and worth watching. I am still in the process of updating my tv schedule thread for post-xmas but this is defo going on the list.

Maggy

10-12-2017 09:17

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Loved the books..but sadly I'm not a Netflix subscriber. I'll just reread the books in that case.

General Maximus

10-12-2017 12:47

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Or source it through alternative means ;)

pip08456

10-12-2017 14:49

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Another one for my list.

Paul	14-12-2017 02:29

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Netflix obviously think highly of it, they have already renewed it for a second season.

General Maximus

22-12-2017 19:08

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General Maximus

02-02-2018 11:07

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A friendly minder that all 10 episodes are out today. I don't know whether to plough through it all in one go or keep myself in suspense and watch one episode a day.

techguyone

02-02-2018 11:39

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all 10 at once? that's unusual, haven't heard of a whole series going out in one before.

General Maximus

02-02-2018 11:54

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It is on Netflix

BenMcr

02-02-2018 12:19

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35935170)

all 10 at once? that's unusual, haven't heard of a whole series going out in one before.

Happens a fair bit on the streaming services.

Stuart

02-02-2018 14:36

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35935170)

all 10 at once? that's unusual, haven't heard of a whole series going out in one before.

It tends to happen when a streaming service is the only source for the material. If it's also available on a Linear channel, it comes out an episode at a time. The exceptions being Orphan Black and Star Trek: Discovery, which, despite being only on Netflix (in this country) were released 1 episode a week.

BenMcr

02-02-2018 14:43

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35935201)

For Star Trek that's due to CBS sticking to a weekly schedule in the US, and Netflix broadcasting it at the same time.

For other shows such as The Expanse that have been broadcast on a network, Netflix have held it back and released it in one go instead.

Have to say I can see pros and cons for each.

General Maximus

02-02-2018 14:46

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35935201)

The exceptions being Orphan Black and Star Trek: Discovery, which, despite being only on Netflix (in this country) were released 1 episode a week.

and tbh I semi-prefer it that way. Discovery is getting better and better and the tension has been amazing in the last couple of eps with the mirror universe. If I could watch them all in one go I don't think it would have the same effect because I know I could find out what the outcome is to a situation immediately.

I was discussing this with Kush earlier, Altered Carbon looks so flipping good that I am worried I am going to spoil it if I watch it all in one day. I am definitely going to watch 1x01 tonight and if I am blown away I think I am going to watch one episode a day so I can keep the goodness going.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35935203)

Have to say I can see pros and cons for each.

exactly, leaving GoT out of the conversation, The Expanse is another phenomenal series where pretty much every episode has you on the edge of your seat. When I watch it every week, and I have said this many a time, I wish had all the eps to watch in one go because I can't wait but at the same time all the excitement and enjoyment would be here and gone in one day.

Stephen

02-02-2018 21:13

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35935170)

all 10 at once? that's unusual, haven't heard of a whole series going out in one before.

Netflix does this alot now when they are the owners and only way to see it.

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35935201)

Trek was on CBS streaming service in the USA and was broadcast each week, mainly as all episodes hadn't been finished before they chose to start showing it.

I think Orphan Black is on a channel in the USA and there for whown each week as broadcast telly.

adzii_nufc

03-02-2018 17:05

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35935290)

Netflix does this alot now when they are the owners and only way to see it.

---------- Post added at 21:13 ---------- Previous post was at 21:10 ----------

Trek was on CBS streaming service in the USA and was broadcast each week, mainly as all episodes hadn't been finished before they chose to start showing it.

I think Orphan Black is on a channel in the USA and there for whown each week as broadcast telly.

Allows for some great binging :D

This worth a binge watch?

General Maximus

03-02-2018 17:33

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ermmm, I'll let you know tomorrow. I watched 1x01 last night which was really good but I wasn't blown away like I was expecting to be. The special effects are excellent and the set design, costumers and everything else are top notch and for a tv series what they have done is fantastic. It very much has a Blade Runner vibe to it and I love their vision of the future and the state of technology.

I'll defo be watching another episode, if not two, later tonight and I'll report back tomorrow if it gets better or worse. I highly recommend everyone gives it a go though, just watching 1x01 should get you hooked.

Hugh	04-02-2018 12:44

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It’s good so far (only watched 2 episodes, as I’m limiting myself to one a day).

It’s useful having read the book(s), but that can create a sense of dissonance when it’s different (not bad, as screen adaptations usually differ due to the medium, but "jarring" to the narrative you already know/expect) from the book.

Someone posted this on Twitter - the book’s author (who I follow) "liked" it. I found it amusing.

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Adam Roberts
@arroberts

"Too long have the ultra-rich dominated our cyberpunk. Under a Labour administration re-sleeving would be available free on the NHS"

ALTERED CORBYN

03/02/2018 23.45

Paul	04-02-2018 14:59

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I have all the episodes, but havent got round to watching any yet.

So far, the people I know who have seen at least the first few have been pretty "meh" about it.

joglynne

04-02-2018 15:18

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On enforced bed rest this series has proved a welcome diversion. I really enjoyed all 10 episodes. just wish a new skin were actually possible. :D

cimt	04-02-2018 16:26

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My main complaint and I'm not sure if I'm the only one but I'm struggling to understand what they're saying quite a lot.

General Maximus

04-02-2018 19:57

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35935505)

So far, the people I know who have seen at least the first few have been pretty "meh" about it.

I have only seen the first two eps and am going to watch
1x03 later. Despite my previous comparisons, the best and easiest way I can describe this for you is The Expanse. It has the same dark undertones, shows you what is hidden beneath the surface with regards to class and society and is about a loser dude doing an investigation which involves more than you think.

I like it. It isn't great but it is better than pretty much everything else atm. I think I would put it 4th on my list behind Discovery, Greys and Shield.

Qtx	05-02-2018 12:58

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The way the viewer is expected to pick up all the terminology so quick is the only flaw in this series. The explanations were rushed through quickly and then the slang was used so much, if you didn't grab it the first time you are a bit screwed for working out whats being said and thus the ability to follow the story-line suffers.

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CTAC – Colonial Tactical Assault Corp. A Protectorate force who needlecast into many different sleeves on many different worlds.

DHF – Digital Human Freight. The code that makes up a person’s consciousness – usually stored on a stack.

Dipper – A hacker, specializing in hacking DHF code and stealing memories.

Elders – An extinct alien race.

Envoy – An elite rebel soldier with heightened intuition, senses and reflexes.

Grounders – People who live on the ground, as opposed to the Meths who inhabit Aerium.

Meth – Someone who has achieved immortality by amassing clones and back-ups of their mind. Named after the Biblical figure Methusaleh, who was said to have lived for 969 years.

Multi-sleeve – To have one’s DHF in multiple bodies at once. This is illegal.

Needlecast – To transfer DHF code remotely from one body to another.

Neo-C – Neo-Catholicism. A religion that holds the belief that humans should not be brought back to life after death.

Neo-C coding – Religious coding in a person’s DHF that indicates they do not consent to be placed in a new body upon death. Effectively a “Do Not Resuscitate” order.

Organic damage – Damage to a sleeve, which is viewed more like property damage than real harm.

Portable 3D Bio Organic Printer – A machine for printing clones.

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Protectorate – The military force of the UN, which maintains order across all the Settled Worlds.

Psychosurgery – A method of repairing DHF that has been damaged by emotional trauma.

Real death – The destruction of a stack, resulting in the obliteration of a person’s consciousness.

Reaper – A drug that can be used in small doses to lower body temperature and dampen emotion, or in high doses to kill.

Resleeving – Putting a stack in a new sleeve.

Settled Worlds – Human-inhabited planets

Simulspace – Virtual reality.

Sleeve – A body.

Sleeve death – When a body is killed, but the stack survives.

Songspire – An alien tree with hanging blue ornaments – a relic of the Elders. No one really knows what they are, but they’re pretty and they make nice sounds.

Spin up – Temporarily put a stack into a new sleeve – for the purposes of questioning, or just to spend time with the person.

Stack – A disk upon which a person’s consciousness is stored. Implanted in everyone when they are a year old.

Stronghold – The home base of the Envoys.

Synthetic sleeve – A silicone-based body that looks perfectly human, but can be enhanced with different abilities.

https://screenrant.com/altered-carbo...uide-glossary/

Other than that, loving the series.

General Maximus

05-02-2018 13:23

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Thanks for that. I would say i noticed and understood about 75% of them but some of them i hadnt even heard of. I am only up to 1x03 though.

Anonymouse

07-02-2018 08:21

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A few minor quibbles, purist that I am:

In the novels, the 'Elders' were Martians (although it later becomes apparent that they didn't originate on Mars).

The role of the CTAC was filled by the Envoy Corps. The Corps was created to deal with the difficulties faced by soldiers being needlecast to different worlds, i.e. everything - atmosphere, gravity, local customs etc. etc. - may be totally different from what they're used to...yet they might be expected to fight within hours of arriving with no time to adjust or to assimilate whatever tactical info has been downloaded into the sleeves' stacks.

Envoys don't need that time. Their training concentrates primarily on the mind, not the body (which is only a sleeve in any case and can be grown to be at the peak of physical fitness straight from the tank with no training whatsoever), and it's the pure mind which is cast. To quote Kovacs: 'Not soldiers, no. Not exactly.'

However, I'm not (yet) a Netflix subscriber. So I have to ask: is the series at least reasonably true to the novels? If it isn't, it loses all credibility - and given that a) it touches on the touchy subject of religion and b) there's the kind of extreme violence you'd expect in a world where inflicting serious injury just doesn't mean as much (except to the victim at the time, that is) as it does today...

(Oh, one more thing: are they pronouncing Takeshi's surname correctly, i.e. with the Slavic 'ch' ending rather than a hard s?)

peanut

07-02-2018 10:43

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It's not that bad but I can't get past the really bad acting and dodgy dialogue.

alferret

09-02-2018 09:19

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Suffering Manfluenza so binged on this yesterday. Really enjoyed it, I didnt feel that the acting was spectacular but it certainly wasnt that bad. Struggled with dialogue in the first couple of episodes but once I got into it & turned the volume up a little all was good.
Think I'll find the books, something I'd enjoy reading.

Hugh	09-02-2018 16:14

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The 3 books are excellent, imho.

Maggy

10-02-2018 08:34

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35936273)

The 3 books are excellent, imho.

:tu:

I also enjoyed Market Forces by the author Richard Morgan.

Paul	10-02-2018 17:06

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Well I just watched the first episode, and tbh, I'm also very meh.

Dont they have lights in the future ? so dark most of the time, and slow, and aside from a couple of bits, just dull.

Nothing made me think I must see the next episode as soon as I can.
In fact, I'm not really sure when I'll bother, maybe when I'm bored and run out of other stuff to watch.

Stuart

11-02-2018 00:23

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I'm enjoying it. Interesting ideas. The idea of being able to swap bodies. The idea of AIs becoming sentient, realising how badly we treat them (especially those who happily take advantage of the fact they are not living, therefore cannot have rights and do all sorts of perverse stuff to them), then rebelling.

That last one may sound stupid. It is, if you assume that the technology behind AI won't improve much. It will, and given 3 or 4 decades, the character you shoot in the current GTA, Farcry or Call of Duty (or whatever FPS franchise exists) at the time may actually qualify as sentient.

Look how far Games have come since the 70s and 80s, and the march of technology has accelerated since.

General Maximus

11-02-2018 11:39

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exactly, and is very similar to the story arc of the Voyager two parter in season 7 with the holograms and the hirogen. The more autonomous and realistic we try to make AI the more they will start to think for themselves and apply logic/reasoning/morality etc to our behaviour and if they believe we are doing something wrong then why not do something to correct it? After all, we would.

General Maximus

20-02-2018 11:09

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It looks like Netflix has a new hit on their hands. Deadline reports Altered Carbon earned 2.5 million viewers during its first week.
While Netflix doesn’t typically release ratings, Nielsen revealed Altered Carbon garnered 2.5 million viewers during its first seven days on the streaming service. However, the future of the sci-fi series is still up in the air.
Netflix has yet to renew Altered Carbon for a second season and creator Laeta Kalogridis has said she’s unsure how a follow-up would work.

Paul	20-02-2018 12:51

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Well, since pretty much everything else I watch is on a break atm, I got round to watching a few more - up to Ep 7 now.

I think its got better than the initial impression E1 gave.
I'm still a bit meh about it, but its held my interest enough that I'll watch the last three.

Not sure if I'll get chance now though until next week.

pip08456

27-07-2018 18:44

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For those of you wondering..

Season 2 has been ordered by Netflix.

http://www.cancelledscifi.com/2018/0...th-a-new-star/

techguyone

27-07-2018 18:58

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awesome news, I've recently watched s1 and whilst it's not quite the book... It wasn't a bad imagining, looking forward to more.

daveeb

27-07-2018 21:02

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35956878)

For those of you wondering..

Season 2 has been ordered by Netflix.

http://www.cancelledscifi.com/2018/0...th-a-new-star/

Excellent news, I really enjoyed season 1 :)

General Maximus

12-02-2020 18:28

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It has been absolutely yonks since it debuted and it was quite a deep story so here is a refresher for anyone who needs it. Season 2 drops at the end of this month.

And now for the trailer:

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