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Could a TiVo user post a video of a TiVo being used in the real world? Someone just do video of scrolling through menus going into various ondemand sections ect? Accessing apps..
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http://youtu.be/D48z5ep71zQ?hd=1
Here's one I made earlier. It gives a good indication of the TiVo speed when running the new 15.2 software. :) |
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In fairness, that video is representative of Tivo's speed. Most of us were used to something much slower by the time 15.2 came along, of course, so it still feels quick.
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An thats with zero experience. |
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To be fair the Sky+HD box has a lot less to do/process as there is not much to them. Nice box's, but low on features... My sister has a Sky+HD 1TB box.
The TiVo box is graphics/picture content rich. :) |
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My sides laughing.......:D:D |
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This is because Apple have taken into account what needs to be done content heavy or not and put enough power in there to allow it to perform as you'd expect. My 1TB TiVo box however doesn't change channels as fast as my 1TB Sky box....... |
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Oh no this is going to turn in to a VM TiVo vs Sky+HD debate :D |
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Isn't part of that the delivery system? Won't it always be slightly slower to change the channel on cable? When I type in a channel number the box itself responds immediately by displaying the info bar for the new channel-it's just the picture that takes time to catch up, something I've always assumed was to do with what was happening between the box and the network rather than in the box itself?
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Now that TiVo are starting to get there patents enforced and money from them rolling in I'd like to see them invest that improving the UI and optimising the menu systems. |
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Do you think only 1 tv channel is being sent down your cable at a time? Then when you turn over the headend some how "switches channels" for you? They're all there just on different frequencys, when you change channel the box just retunes to that channel. |
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I think what andy_m is describing sounds like switched video, which is used a lot by cable companies in the States, but not so much in Europe. Check out this diagram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ca...rk_Diagram.png The non-switched part is what's happening on VM's network, or at least, the 'last mile' from the cabinet to your home. |
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How is that Youtube video showing a slow Tivo? That is a perfectly acceptable speed and far faster then what it used to be. Tivo is very responsive and works brilliantly.
The difference between Sky is that it is a one way communication device only sending data down, with cable its a proper network where data is going back and forth. Its going to have some overhead which will cause it to be slower but the advantages far outweigh the negatives. Comparing Sky which has a really basic interface against Tivo and then saying one faster then the other is silly, its the end GUI that is most important and the Tivo wins hands down. |
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Must say i have had my TiVo now for about a month and i find the speed very good,hardly any slower then a mates Sky+ HD box.:confused:
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Which GUI is best depends entirely on the user, so neither can ever be judged an overall winner or better/best by an individual as they will judge it on their needs. It's horses for courses. For example, I like most of the TiVo GUI and it's additional features, although find having to press play/OK on four separate occasions when I have selected some On Demand content very irritating! The Wife on the other hand hates the TiVo GUI full stop and much prefers the Sky GUI as it is quick, clean and (most importantly), simple. |
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Won't the whole UI speed become irrelevant in the future with more people completing tasks like setting recordings , search and browse , viewing your planner , controlling the STB through remote apps like TIVO buddy app and Sky+ with zeebox granted short term it will be the minority controlling their box in this manner but longer term with an explosion in tablets/smartphones this will increase.
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TiVo & iPad owners will be in for a treat if VM ever manage to get that app launched! :) |
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What people have to understand is that using a Tivo is like making love to a beautiful woman. You have to take your time :D
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I wouldn't give up my TiVo :cool: |
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In the interests of balance...
I can't wait to get rid of mine, biggest pile of over hyped pony I've ever had the misfortune of using... :D |
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However the Wife hates it (too confusing) and there are a number of improvements they need to make for it to really rock my world such as a dynamic EPG and making VOD slicker and easier to actually watch as there are far too many button presses before you actually get the content. I am leaving VM as soon as practical though as the package as a whole has been a let down and performance inconsistent. The potential of TiVo is not enough to keep me as a customer I'm afraid. |
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I loved Game of Thrones and got to watch all of the Battlestar Galactica series that I missed first time round so I liked it. I haven't missed it while I have been with VM but then I consider myself a "balanced" individual who doesn't tend to get over excited about things like a TV channel when there is more important things in life to worry about. ;) |
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Only joking mate ;) :D |
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I just buy the series i like on DVD curb your enthusiasm for one ! nurse jackie which sky atlantic took from BBC 2 i find other ways of watching.;)
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If I cant see it, I do not look what it offers. Only recall watching HBO once. So I guess I would not be looking that often if it was available. However building up "stock" see the first weeks of the Olympics out. Off to Florida the last week, wish I had thought about it earlier.
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Well I'm happy to know you're a criminal who is more than prepared to break law.I shall keep this in mind when reading the things you type, |
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Just seems rather strange. |
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Is that now a criminal offence.:p: |
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The last one that caught my eye was Sony. and since its come on I never have seen anything I want to watch. Case of the other mans grass I guess:D |
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Also on the title of this thread the Tivo keeps me going all night and is not coming soon:D:D:D:D |
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What price one mega channel with all the crap weeded out? |
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Also, isn't it funny how when Sky market an exclusive channel included with their basic service it's "over hyped", yet when VM do the same by playing on the fact they include ESPN for free, it isn't? As I said, I try and keep a balanced and objective view as it's just one channel, whichever side of the fence you sit on, it's a shame others can't. |
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The world is full of Hype . Its called selling.
When I look at Atlantic I do not see anything I miss. However that does not mean if it was part of a package, I might find something I like. As I haven`t got it & it is very questionable that as long as I choose Virgin I ever will. I choose not to look too hard. I find most of the time I can find something I enjoy to watch, hence why would I want more. ESPN is again more hype. All it has done is split the channels required by a lot of sports fans. Giving those on Virgin, who choose not to pay SKY some games. As neither SKY or ESPN carry my games of choice they have no bearing on my life if I am not at them then for the most part BBC2 wales have them |
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Same goes for Sky One, when VM lost it I was a bit gutted. However I soon realised there wasn't actually anything on it I would miss. Then since it came back there is only a couple of occasions I have watched it. Both Sky channels and both totally overhyped! |
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I like Stella & my beloved Futurarama but other than that never watch SKY 1 or 2 or pick for that matter
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There is only so many hours of spare time for TV viewing available to most people per week anyway. So when someone says acertain channel is over hyped as they would only watch 1 or 2 shows on it, well surely 1 or 2 shows is quite good for the channel in this time of massive content overload. For peoples "sofa" time these days you have games consoles, internet, TV, DVD/Blueray movies,. |
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I agree that it is just another channel that some people may or may not watch, miss or not miss, my point was I don't understand why some people keep complaining about "over hype" if they don't watch it, can't watch it or have never watched it! Surely you have to have seen or experienced something to judge objectively whether someone who raves about it is (in your opinion) right or over hyping it? I see people raving about the TiVo as some kind of technological messiah but whilst I think it has potential, for me it is a long way from being perfect or the best solution to our needs. Having experienced both SKy and VM's STB's (in fact having them both plugged in right now to the same TV), I can make a direct comparison and form my own opinion, which is that the TiVo service cannot currently live up to the hype, but do I waste my energy bleating about it every 5 minutes? No, I just change service provider! |
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When is dynamic programme guide coming to Tivo?
Until that happens (which it may never do) I do not see how Tivo can be regarded as 'the future of TV'. It seems unbelievable to me that many other boxes have this but Tivo does not, leading to endless discussion on padding around programmes, which is no good anyway if a programme is seriously delayed or overruns or moved to another time. |
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http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...72&postcount=1 We're currently working with TiVo to look at more frequent updates to the guide data, however at present I can't commit to when that would be deployed to our customers. Our long-term goal is to add dynamic updates to the TiVo EPG but we are some way off that. Hope that answers your question. regards Stephen |
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Thank you, Den, that is really good news.
'Coming soon' is better than 'Not coming at all'! ---------- Post added at 13:10 ---------- Previous post was at 12:58 ---------- Problem is it is not 'Coming soon' but 'Coming but not soon'. We are all know how long 'Coming soon' is in VM speak, so I think great patience will be needed here. |
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I think the mistake you're making is assuming that people who don't have Sky aren't able to access the shows you think they're missing, and that they're basing their opinions on nothing, or worse, jealousy. You seem to be of the opinion that you alone on this forum are uniquely positioned to give your assessment of Sky Atlantic because the rest of us have no experience of it. And yet your opinion, based on the fact that you haven't missed it whilst you've not had it, chimes with the opinion of those of us apparently unable to form an opinion - it may have some good content, but it is over-hyped. FWIW I'm a relatively recent Sky customer, and, in my opinion, the TiVo stb, even in it's current state, far outstrips the Sky+HD stb. The Sky box may be simple, but I happen to think the TiVo UI is very intuitive - and to be honest, I don't want something that's simple - I want depth and range. I want to be able to explore shows without having to look them up elsewhere, I want to be able see suggestions based on things I like, and if I like a certain actor I want my stb to do the hardwork to see when is stuff is being shown. If I can't do things like that with my PVR then was there ever any real point in them replacing the VCR? Wasn't that supposed to be the start of improving the way we consume television? Isn't TiVo a giant step along the way? Sky+HD certainly isn't. I think it's telling that Sky have had to set up their web-based "never miss" when with a TiVo I just set up a wishlist at the point of use, to give just one example. It took the first whispers of multi-room streaming for Sky to announce that they're working on their own solution to give another. Virgin may not have yet implemented TiVo as well as we'd all like, it might not be as "simple" as it's competitors, but it is technologically well ahead of anything on the market. That's not hype - Sky's own efforts to "keep up" prove it. |
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You may well like the many advanced features of TIVO and for what it's worth I agree some are pretty good suggestions being the exception in my opinion however the majority just want a functioning PVR what records their favourite shows. |
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Anyway, this isn't about what the majority want, I just don't like being told I can't have an opinion about a channel just because I don't currently receive it. |
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Dynamic EPG , an EPG that's updated by the broadcaster and not reliant on a company in the US , a 1TB box that records 240 hrs in HD , BBC , Sky Sports red button , reminders , the ability to setup a series link or reminder from a trailer , On Demand content that can be copied to your planner to avoid expiration. I currently use both boxes granted the TIVO maybe only once a week or so and both have strengths and weaknesses and I do agree that Sky do see TIVO as a threat and rightly so , as DF frequently says on here it's down to the individuals requirements my parents can barely receive 1mb via ADSL hence why they choose VM , for me the fact Sky is cheaper offers a better HD linear channel range , Sky F1 HD , Sky 3D plus a multitude of mobile apps are the pull. I'm sure you choose VM for BB and TIVO and the fact it probably saves you money. |
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But Virgin offer many things that their competitors don't offer or if they do then they have to pay more for them and then you can couple that with Virgins superior broadband, a superior VOD service and a vastly superior STB and overall that makes it a better all round service in many peoples minds.
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What I am not interested in hearing repeatedly is bleating and moaning from people who haven't ever seen, heard or used something. It's just pointless noise as far as I am concerned and I fail to understand why people get so wound up about things they don't have or apparently don't want because it is "over hyped" anyway! I assume all of these people will leave in droves out of sheer disgust when Sky Atlantic comes to VM... :scratch: As for being "pro Sky" then I am guilty as charged! I left Sky in October for VM and apart from some positives, overall the service has been a big disappointment to us, so as soon as we can we will give notice and return to Sky because for us, their package works best. At least I can say I have tried both services which I believe (even if no one else agrees!), means my opinions are more valid on the services offered. Quote:
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And yes, I did come to Virgin for the broadband. When I later moved my TV over to them I found V+ a real shock to the system, even though it is just a "simple pvr that records peoples programmes". I'm sure you would agree that in terms of boxes V+ hd doesn't come close to Sky+ hd, even though it has many "features" you refer to. |
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However, my point was that the channel is not as good as it's made out to be by some. I based that mainly on the fact that I have watched some of the stuff it shows, and I really haven't been blown away. But I also based it partly on your own admission that you haven't missed the channel whilst you've not had it, so even if we take your opinion of the channel as the only one that carries any weight, the channel still isn't all that! |
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If I get Sky Fibre then it will be costing us around £12 a month more, so I can't argue with you on that, but VM can be as cheap as it likes if it doesn't work regularly (which has been our experience), then it is of no use to us. Actually this month is cheaper again as we have received another £15 credit on our account due to Broadband issues. Quote:
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would not swap my Tivo for anything
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l find your posts very entertaining and perhaps you have had some training from the great master MM and yes l was talking to the great Uri Geller earlier and he gave me a few mind reading tips.:) |
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I think we are going round in circles because I haven't been defending the quality or otherwise of Sky Atlantic, just pointing out that I don't think people complaining about it when they haven't seen it as having any value. Sure you can watch some of the content in other ways and no not all of the shows will appeal to everyone but why do people get so wound up about something they don't have? To be honest I am as bored of trying to make my point clear as I am sure many people are of reading its so I'm going to leave it there. :) ---------- Post added at 20:52 ---------- Previous post was at 20:48 ---------- Quote:
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Add me to that as well DF.:tu: |
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and Tivo be even better next month with red button on bbc and sky sports :cleader::cleader::cleader:
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I don't mind losing the channels (as I was on XL) but I do miss the TiVo and it seems, in my case at least, once you've tried TiVo it's hard to accept anything else as substitute :tu: |
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. . . but still no dynamic EPG on Tivo and no prospect of it coming for a long time.
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Not mine (after 6+ months use).
If the V+ had a larger hard drive, I would go back to that. |
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Last few argumentative posts removed..
If you don't like someone's comment then either leave the thread or use the ignore button. If you don't then we'll simply use the infract button. |
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