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RichardCoulter 28-09-2016 17:10
Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
BabeNation (featuring Babestation) has launched on channel 981.

With Studio66 and xxpanded TV said to be joining shortly, it looks like VM are increasing their range of porn content.

Apparently, Babestation is licensed in Holland and Ofcom can't do anything about what they show; other than trying to put pressure on the Dutch regulator.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...n-ofcom-action

As the law currently stands, Broadcasters only need to be licensed by one EU country and can then broadcast to any other EU country.

Eurosport is another example, it is licensed in France and for many years had 7 hours of teleshopping overnight even though, at the time, Ofcom only allowed three hours in the UK. The French licence also exempts them from Ofcom imposed subtitle requirements.

I find it surprising and a little worrying that non regulated pornography can be easily picked up by satellite, Freeview and now VM customers.

I know that VM (and I assume satellite) have controls to stop children tuning in, but I believe that on Freeview there's nothing to stop minors tuning in!

pip08456 28-09-2016 17:16
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Just because the regulators in other EU contries have different standards does not mean it is not regulated.

What's the problem anyway?

BenMcr 28-09-2016 17:18
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860861)
but I believe that on Freeview there's nothing to stop children tuning in!
Yes, there is, but it's device dependent.

https://www.freeview.co.uk/support/b...-facility.html
https://www.freeview.co.uk/support/m...t-content.html

But that shouldn't be an issue as any parent with children should be aware of appropriate technology needs to ensure that they can control what their children access.

RichardCoulter 28-09-2016 17:20
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35860862)
Just because the regulators in other EU contries have different standards does not mean it is not regulated.

What's the problem anyway?
True, but they may fall below our standards as a country and there is absolutely nothing that our regulator can do about it.

AIUI the Freeview channels are even available to children as so many have a television in their bedroom these days.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35860863)
Thanks Ben, that's good to know :)

OLD BOY 28-09-2016 17:20
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860861)
BabeNation (featuring Babestation) has launched on channel 981.

With Studio66 and xxpanded TV said to be joining shortly, it looks like VM are increasing their range of porn content.

Apparently, Babestation is licensed in Holland and Ofcom can't do anything about what they show; other than trying to put pressure on the Dutch regulator.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...n-ofcom-action

As the law currently stands, Broadcasters only need to be licensed by one EU country and can then broadcast to any other EU country.

Eurosport is another example, it is licensed in France and for many years had 7 hours of teleshopping overnight even though, at the time, Ofcom only allowed three hours in the UK. The French licence also exempts them from Ofcom imposed subtitle requirements.

I find it surprising and a little worrying that non regulated pornography can be easily picked up by satellite, Freeview and now VM customers.

I know that VM (and I assume satellite) have controls to stop children tuning in, but I believe that on Freeview there's nothing to stop children tuning in!
Given what you can see without restriction on the internet, I really don't understand what the fuss is about.

Are you exercising your right to be offended, Richard? Try hard not to tune into these channels.... ;)

:Yikes:

RichardCoulter 28-09-2016 17:24
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35860863)
Yes, there is, but it's device dependent.

https://www.freeview.co.uk/support/b...-facility.html
https://www.freeview.co.uk/support/m...t-content.html

But that shouldn't be an issue as any parent with children should be aware of appropriate technology needs to ensure that they can control what their children access.
Ahhh, this must be why parents have complained about toddlers tuning in.

Ofcom can do no other than refer them to the relevant foreign regulator; who are free to take as much or as little notice as they like!

pip08456 28-09-2016 17:25
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860865)
True, but they may fall below our standards as a country and there is absolutely nothing that our regulator can do about it.
That's a bit of a puritanical stance to take.

RichardCoulter 28-09-2016 17:27
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35860867)
Given what you can see without restriction on the internet, I really don't understand what the fuss is about.

Are you exercising your right to be offended, Richard? Try hard not to tune into these channels.... ;)

:Yikes:
I don't bother with such channels, but I would object to something deeemed unacceptable by Ofcom being beamed into UK homes that nobody, not even the regulator, has any power to control or stop.

Chris 28-09-2016 17:30
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
It is a basic requirement of a Freesat box that adult channels can be hidden from the EPG. Does Freeview not have something similar?

RichardCoulter 28-09-2016 17:30
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35860869)
That's a bit of a puritanical stance to take.
Some types of porn are acceptable abroad that we do not find acceptable here in the UK.

It cannot be right that they can beam this into UK homes without anything to stop them; this is particularly worrying if children get to see it.

BenMcr 28-09-2016 17:31
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860868)
Ahhh, this must be why parents have complained about toddlers tuning in.

Ofcom can do no other than refer them to the relevant foreign regulator; who are free to take as much or as little notice as they like!
As far as I can see, the same applies on Freeview to those adult channels that are OFCOM regulated - it's dependent on the appropriate device and adult choice as to what is accessible.

So I don't think it's got anything to do with who regulates the channel.

RichardCoulter 28-09-2016 17:36
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35860871)
It is a basic requirement of a Freesat box that adult channels can be hidden from the EPG. Does Freeview not have something similar?
Thanks Chris, I would assume that it's the same on Sky (it's 16 years since I was with them!)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35860873)
As far as I can see, the same applies on Freeview to those adult channels that are OFCOM regulated - it's dependent on the appropriate device and adult choice as to what is accessible.

So I don't think it's got anything to do with who regulates the channel.
Interesting, if this is the case, I would have thought that Ofcom would have insisted on Pin Protection as a condition of their DTT licence.

Obviously, toddlers shouldn't be viewing any material of this type, but if any non regulated porn is viewed, I would be even more concerned as it may be more explicit or extreme.

pip08456 28-09-2016 17:39
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35860872)
Some types of porn are acceptable abroad that we do not find acceptable here in the UK.

It cannot be right that they can beam this into UK homes without anything to stop them; this is particularly worrying if children get to see it.
You are not really talking of "Abroad" but other EU member states.

If children get to see it then it is the parents that are at fault unless of course you agree with a nanny state controlling everything you can and cannot do...

Don't include me in your "we do not find acceptable" not that I would watch porn channels (I have better things to do with my time). I have a mind of my own and an on/off switch!

RichardCoulter 28-09-2016 17:44
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35860878)
You are not really talking of "Abroad" but other EU member states.

If children get to see it then it is the parents that are at fault unless of course you agree with a nanny state controlling everything you can and cannot do...

Don't include me in your "we do not find acceptable" not that I would watch porn channels (I have better things to do with my time). I have a mind of my own and an on/off switch!
I'm surprised that you have such an indifference to children being exposed to such material.

Many parents may not know about this, or have the technical intelligence/knowledge to prevent access.

IMO Pin Protection should be a minimum requirement for all these channels as a condition of being able to transmit to the UK.

If we do end up leaving the EU, maybe things will change.

theone2k10 28-09-2016 17:46
Re: Non Ofcom regulated porn on VM.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35860871)
It is a basic requirement of a Freesat box that adult channels can be hidden from the EPG. Does Freeview not have something similar?
Youview does however the freeview built into my samsung tv doesn't this may be because i bought my tv from Germany though so it's not official freeview.


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